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greetings and salutations friends and

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welcome back

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uh i should apologize for this glare and

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uh some of you most of you know uh i

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have mentioned that i'm in an attic sort

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of office here and right about at this

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time of year it gets unbearably hot in

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here and i have to blast an air

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conditioner in here just to be able to

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work in here can't blast the air

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conditioner during the show but a

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compromise for the time being is that i

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took down the backdrop which usually

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covers the window and uh

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yeah i have to have the window open here

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so i don't die of heat stroke in two

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hours um

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this is temporary i started i we're

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supposed to have another streaming

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location up right now

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in my home but uh it's taking a lot

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longer than i thought it would so i

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apologize uh this will have to do for

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so welcome to true seekers and welcome

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to the ufo report you guys know that

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every once in a while i like to bring

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somebody here and just talk about ufos

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in the current state

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of the world of ufos

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um i i like to follow different people

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and when i see somebody new

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or unknown to me i should say not new

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but uh you know and invite them here for

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a conversation instead of doing that off

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air

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uh i take all of you guys with me

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so uh tonight our special guest is steve

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long who i just saw in the louis kaitano

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podcast

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and he talks about a lot of things he

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and i have a lot of similar interests so

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i thought it would be an interesting

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let's bring him in here welcome steve

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long good to see you hey steve thanks

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for having me on tonight i appreciate it

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yeah so i thought we would start i i ask

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everybody this when i first meet them

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that's interested in this topic

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and uh you can get as personal as you

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want or or not as personal but i wanted

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to know why do you have such an intense

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interest in ufos and aliens uh what got

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you started down this rabbit hole

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well i think like a lot of people that

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probably get into this community um you

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know i had an experience uh when i was a

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kid when i was 11 years old

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uh i saw a triangle um the typical kind

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that people talk about about 300 feet

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per side and it was uh floating about

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100 feet off of the ground and about

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a flashlight because as being 11 years

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old i was gonna signal uh this thing

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coming in for a landing i would do that

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sure sure and when i came back it was

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gone and and i i probably was gone for

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um but that's you know that's what first

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of ufos and undoubtedly heard of

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triangle ufos probably just from unsaw

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essentially he had seen the same same

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receptive and um i almost went over to

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this to myself but certainly having seen

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something so large and so heavy uh

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effortlessly float in the sky

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non-uh mankind technology and for a long

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anything we're talking about the

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information that i came on was very

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through that i peripherally like paid

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attention to the ufo community and i

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ancient aliens fan really it wasn't

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a level where i said you know let me see

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uh what i can find out now maybe i can

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get a clearer picture or a better

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understanding of what i saw and possibly

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uh what you know what's going on with

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down a similar rabbit hole and found a

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few twists and turns that changed our

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minds on some things right

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accustomed to some of the ufo

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stories and lore that was out there and

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all of them since i had my own

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each of those stories and um you know

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that a lot of people can relate to and i

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more you dive into the stories and

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events and the popular lore of the ufo

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community over the last 80 years you

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you say it better than me right i'm a

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little more blunt

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lot of patterns in some of the stories

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people like to glob onto roswell with a

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new story but they attach it to roswell

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because that's accepted and i like that

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lure or mythology because this thing is

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sort of group of stories almost like you

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mythology right and it builds over time

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and things people accept and other

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things people throw to the side and then

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no certainly and and we even hear that

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community you know ex-government figures

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for 50 and 60 and 70 years and there's a

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and agendas um but it certainly does

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myself uh came to to find specific

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questions that are being asked change

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history and the patterns that have

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new newcomers so to speak or those that

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these things and and that might not be

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why they're here um but certainly

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here to really try and get an answer uh

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on some things and the problem that we

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uh trying to further very specific uh

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policies and actions um the claims don't

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often match up to what some of the

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verifiable evidence

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surrounding that that situation is

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stories and these conspiracy land

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characters

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fraudery and bullshittery you know like

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they said

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i i was a navy seal i believed them

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because i assumed that like a conference

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organizer somebody would look into them

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and vet them before letting them get on

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a stage and tell these stories

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i was sort of shocked and horrified when

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i started actually trying to verify

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people's education people's work history

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people's military claims i was kind of

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shocked by the number of of people that

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just made up their background to to sell

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a ufo story and this is a real huge

281
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problem in this thing and a lot of

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people don't even acknowledge it

283
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no and i think that that even speaks to

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the larger issue in the community that

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um

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that most of what we're we're going on

287
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and and and is is an appeal to authority

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that that's that's the overarching uh

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theme and

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you know i think that it's natural for

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people when they hear claims and

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statements coming from individuals that

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are uh you know accredited and uh

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respectful uh respected and high ranking

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that they give weight uh to those claims

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i don't think that's un unnatural i

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think what

298
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the point that needs to be made is uh

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that because of the history that we have

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in this subject uh

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that those claims should be viewed with

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scrutiny and verified no matter how

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credible the claimant may be or

304
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incredible the claim it may be simply

305
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because of the the verifiable history

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that time and time again information has

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been uh incorrect for all manner of

308
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reasons

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um and and we can see that time and time

310
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again and it's very important you know

311
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there's specific instances whether it be

312
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bob lazar or uh lou elizondo or

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however far back you want to go and

314
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why'd you want to cast your net there's

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specific instances where uh they have

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not

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you know a misunderstanding of the facts

318
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and they were just simply wrong which

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you know that's that's been my pattern

320
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here trying to work with incomplete

321
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information and make uh our best my best

322
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speculation uh upon the best evidence

323
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you know often i'm wrong and i need to

324
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uh reassess

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my position and uh there seems to be a

326
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real

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lack of accountability when it comes to

328
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that in

329
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in the narrative and in the community in

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general

331
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and i'm not here to pick anybody apart

332
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for that um but simply i'm just here to

333
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hold people's claims and statements

334
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accountable to the evidence because

335
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we're talking about things that

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uh although this is a very small

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community we're talking about things

338
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that may be having very wide reaching

339
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effects um and people are apt to believe

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and to

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put weight in

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statements and claims that come from

343
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authoritative individuals um i i

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i just want to again repeat that uh that

345
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shouldn't be the default in this subject

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and i think that

347
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it's natural though isn't it isn't that

348
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natural

349
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i when i hear a navy pilot tell me about

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a ufo that he saw

351
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i instantly think well here's a trained

352
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military man

353
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you know he's been flying for this many

354
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number of years

355
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he's seen a lot of weird stuff in the

356
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sky he should be able to tell the

357
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difference between a regular

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aircraft and something

359
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a little more extraordinary i do put

360
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more weight you know but you're right

361
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that's a double-edged sword because we

362
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have things like corso

363
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you know well he worked for the foreign

364
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technology department and and you know

365
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he was high-ranking military

366
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and then he comes out with a fantastical

367
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story with absolutely no evidence or

368
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proof but we're supposed to trust him

369
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because of his authoritative position

370
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that's a really good point that i've

371
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yes no it's um

372
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again it's natural and i don't think

373
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even outside of uh ufology we can look

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in just the last 20 years at all kinds

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of instances uh whether it be weapons of

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mass destruction uh or nsa illegal

377
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illegally surveilling uh americans or uh

378
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trump russian collusion there's all

379
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kinds of things that we can point to i

380
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think where we can say that the claims

381
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fell short of the evidence and i think

382
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that we would uh be remiss to not take

383
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such lessons

384
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and apply them at least when we're

385
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considering the scope of possibilities

386
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and the level of probability that we're

387
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going to place in that

388
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yeah uh people are complimenting on you

389
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on your insight

390
00:17:01,110 --> 00:17:00,079
you know one of the other things i want

391
00:17:02,710 --> 00:17:01,120
to ask you

392
00:17:05,350 --> 00:17:02,720
this is a new question that i like to

393
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ask people that are into ufos how how

394
00:17:11,350 --> 00:17:08,160
many full-time people should be working

395
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on ufos as a full-time job do you think

396
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because i kind of see this especially

397
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since 2017 there's a hundred and fifty

398
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or three 000 new

399
00:17:22,870 --> 00:17:21,199
ufo podcasts there's all kinds of people

400
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running around calling themselves ufo

401
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investigators ufo researchers ufo

402
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lecturers

403
00:17:32,549 --> 00:17:29,840
and honestly i just i i maybe i'm

404
00:17:34,549 --> 00:17:32,559
cynical but i look around and i say

405
00:17:36,470 --> 00:17:34,559
is there really enough meat on the bones

406
00:17:39,430 --> 00:17:36,480
here that we have thousands of people

407
00:17:41,590 --> 00:17:39,440
trying to make a full-time living

408
00:17:43,909 --> 00:17:41,600
in one form or another out of this thing

409
00:17:46,390 --> 00:17:43,919
and by the way in full disclosure that

410
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includes me

411
00:17:50,150 --> 00:17:48,000
i don't know that i need i don't just

412
00:17:54,070 --> 00:17:50,160
don't think we need this many people and

413
00:17:56,310 --> 00:17:54,080
there's a lot of money to be made too

414
00:17:58,390 --> 00:17:56,320
there's a lot of money to be made

415
00:18:00,310 --> 00:17:58,400
absolutely and i will you know i'm not

416
00:18:01,750 --> 00:18:00,320
going to cast judgment on how many

417
00:18:03,669 --> 00:18:01,760
people should be involved or what people

418
00:18:05,590 --> 00:18:03,679
should do with their lives that's up for

419
00:18:08,070 --> 00:18:05,600
everyone to to figure out for their own

420
00:18:10,150 --> 00:18:08,080
i guess but um certainly i'll say that

421
00:18:13,990 --> 00:18:10,160
there's there seems we seem to be very

422
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heavy um in sensationalism and very low

423
00:18:18,390 --> 00:18:16,799
in substance um and it seems that the

424
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people that are really producing the

425
00:18:24,630 --> 00:18:21,679
most substance and the most well uh

426
00:18:26,549 --> 00:18:24,640
evidenced information are often

427
00:18:28,470 --> 00:18:26,559
the quietest voices that are getting the

428
00:18:29,430 --> 00:18:28,480
least amount of light and it's because

429
00:18:35,990 --> 00:18:29,440
the

430
00:18:37,190 --> 00:18:36,000
mainstream narrative that runs through

431
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the community and the claims that are

432
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being presented and um you know you had

433
00:18:43,110 --> 00:18:41,280
just touched on when we were talking

434
00:18:45,750 --> 00:18:43,120
about appeals to authority you know when

435
00:18:46,950 --> 00:18:45,760
we heal when we hear um you know pilots

436
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saying that they

437
00:18:50,470 --> 00:18:49,200
saw something uh we consider them you

438
00:18:52,950 --> 00:18:50,480
know they're often called you know

439
00:18:54,870 --> 00:18:52,960
expert witnesses um and they're

440
00:18:56,390 --> 00:18:54,880
considered to be such but you know

441
00:18:58,470 --> 00:18:56,400
interestingly all the way back and i

442
00:19:00,710 --> 00:18:58,480
posted about this a few days ago um all

443
00:19:03,430 --> 00:19:00,720
the way back to jay allen heineck you

444
00:19:06,310 --> 00:19:03,440
know he had he had uh done a study back

445
00:19:09,190 --> 00:19:06,320
in the 60s that had found that um pilots

446
00:19:10,950 --> 00:19:09,200
in fact had the worst uh

447
00:19:14,230 --> 00:19:10,960
they were the worst of all categories

448
00:19:17,830 --> 00:19:14,240
listed for for being a class of witness

449
00:19:22,630 --> 00:19:19,110
he found that the best class of

450
00:19:24,470 --> 00:19:22,640
witnesses in fact had only a 50

451
00:19:26,150 --> 00:19:24,480
misperception rate that means you know

452
00:19:28,150 --> 00:19:26,160
one out of two times they're going to

453
00:19:30,549 --> 00:19:28,160
judge something wrong that was the best

454
00:19:33,350 --> 00:19:30,559
witnesses that they came across but they

455
00:19:36,950 --> 00:19:33,360
found that uh commercial pilots and

456
00:19:38,549 --> 00:19:36,960
military pilots scored 88 and nine uh 88

457
00:19:40,950 --> 00:19:38,559
and 89

458
00:19:42,870 --> 00:19:40,960
uh percent misperception rate the

459
00:19:44,549 --> 00:19:42,880
highest and worst of all categories

460
00:19:47,590 --> 00:19:44,559
taken into the study

461
00:19:49,110 --> 00:19:47,600
um and and pilots are certainly experts

462
00:19:51,549 --> 00:19:49,120
at what they do but

463
00:19:53,590 --> 00:19:51,559
um to be an expert at something that is

464
00:19:56,870 --> 00:19:53,600
unidentified never been studied

465
00:19:58,950 --> 00:19:56,880
presented or schooled uh about who who

466
00:20:00,870 --> 00:19:58,960
could possibly be an expert on something

467
00:20:03,110 --> 00:20:00,880
like that

468
00:20:05,990 --> 00:20:03,120
yeah it makes me question a lot you know

469
00:20:08,310 --> 00:20:06,000
because previously i i heard about that

470
00:20:10,310 --> 00:20:08,320
and previously i just assumed yeah i

471
00:20:12,470 --> 00:20:10,320
mean it's a it's a trained pilot he

472
00:20:14,149 --> 00:20:12,480
knows what's up in the sky but they're

473
00:20:15,190 --> 00:20:14,159
they're they're human like everybody

474
00:20:16,789 --> 00:20:15,200
else so

475
00:20:18,789 --> 00:20:16,799
you know i think there's a large portion

476
00:20:20,630 --> 00:20:18,799
of this so-called phenomenon that's just

477
00:20:23,750 --> 00:20:20,640
misidentified we see it all the time you

478
00:20:27,029 --> 00:20:23,760
know we got bat balloons and uh you know

479
00:20:29,830 --> 00:20:27,039
drones getting misidentified we have uh

480
00:20:31,590 --> 00:20:29,840
advertising balloons

481
00:20:33,190 --> 00:20:31,600
blimps there's so many that are

482
00:20:35,590 --> 00:20:33,200
misidentified

483
00:20:37,750 --> 00:20:35,600
nothing special but people

484
00:20:40,149 --> 00:20:37,760
you know the sky can play tricks on your

485
00:20:43,190 --> 00:20:40,159
eyes too there's clouds there's you know

486
00:20:45,350 --> 00:20:43,200
haze whatever distance plays a large

487
00:20:50,950 --> 00:20:45,360
part of it so but how much do you think

488
00:20:54,870 --> 00:20:52,710
well i don't know how much but a large a

489
00:20:57,350 --> 00:20:54,880
large percentage and i would wager to

490
00:20:59,029 --> 00:20:57,360
say that um you know the military and

491
00:21:00,950 --> 00:20:59,039
the intelligence community feels the

492
00:21:03,110 --> 00:21:00,960
same way the actions that they're going

493
00:21:04,630 --> 00:21:03,120
through uh the last few years and

494
00:21:05,830 --> 00:21:04,640
hearings that are coming up i mean these

495
00:21:09,830 --> 00:21:05,840
things are very

496
00:21:12,789 --> 00:21:09,840
um very much defined as as as problems

497
00:21:14,870 --> 00:21:12,799
of safety and information collection and

498
00:21:16,710 --> 00:21:14,880
assessment um that's that's exactly what

499
00:21:18,710 --> 00:21:16,720
they're they're being called in plain

500
00:21:21,110 --> 00:21:18,720
language

501
00:21:23,110 --> 00:21:21,120
yeah well that's pretty interesting now

502
00:21:24,950 --> 00:21:23,120
as far as you're citing

503
00:21:27,830 --> 00:21:24,960
did you do any research into some of the

504
00:21:29,430 --> 00:21:27,840
black projects like stealth blimps and

505
00:21:31,750 --> 00:21:29,440
and other things

506
00:21:34,070 --> 00:21:31,760
and now that so much time has passed and

507
00:21:36,149 --> 00:21:34,080
you've had an opportunity to study

508
00:21:39,590 --> 00:21:36,159
sort of the mythology and the folklore

509
00:21:42,149 --> 00:21:39,600
and and try to find more information

510
00:21:44,310 --> 00:21:42,159
have you come to any conclusions about

511
00:21:46,470 --> 00:21:44,320
what what it is that you saw did do you

512
00:21:48,630 --> 00:21:46,480
lean more towards alien technology or

513
00:21:50,870 --> 00:21:48,640
more towards a secret project government

514
00:21:53,830 --> 00:21:50,880
project or

515
00:21:57,830 --> 00:21:53,840
i did um again as part of

516
00:22:00,549 --> 00:21:57,840
uh the 2017 story and my um hardcore

517
00:22:02,710 --> 00:22:00,559
emergence into researching the topic um

518
00:22:04,310 --> 00:22:02,720
yeah triangles is a big part of what i

519
00:22:07,190 --> 00:22:04,320
like to research obviously because of my

520
00:22:09,430 --> 00:22:07,200
sighting and um my my views i've

521
00:22:12,230 --> 00:22:09,440
certainly changed since i started doing

522
00:22:15,350 --> 00:22:12,240
that and um

523
00:22:17,909 --> 00:22:15,360
again uh this was a very uh slow-moving

524
00:22:19,430 --> 00:22:17,919
uh floating thing um but when i saw it

525
00:22:22,310 --> 00:22:19,440
it was something that i

526
00:22:23,830 --> 00:22:22,320
felt was a very solid object it was

527
00:22:26,390 --> 00:22:23,840
um

528
00:22:29,190 --> 00:22:26,400
just solid and again i i now think that

529
00:22:32,549 --> 00:22:29,200
this is probably um some type of lighter

530
00:22:34,870 --> 00:22:32,559
than air uh dirigible and that's uh what

531
00:22:37,110 --> 00:22:34,880
i was seeing that day and there's all

532
00:22:39,110 --> 00:22:37,120
kinds of things that uh play into me

533
00:22:40,710 --> 00:22:39,120
thinking that one of the things when i

534
00:22:43,110 --> 00:22:40,720
when i had my sighting there was

535
00:22:46,310 --> 00:22:43,120
actually a red light on the back corner

536
00:22:47,909 --> 00:22:46,320
on the side uh of the the triangle and

537
00:22:49,590 --> 00:22:47,919
it was just a regular red light bulb

538
00:22:53,110 --> 00:22:49,600
like you see on an aircraft or an

539
00:22:54,470 --> 00:22:53,120
airplane just uh faa style red light

540
00:22:55,990 --> 00:22:54,480
the interesting thing that i found out

541
00:22:57,750 --> 00:22:56,000
later when i did my research is that

542
00:22:59,669 --> 00:22:57,760
that light was on the the right hand

543
00:23:01,029 --> 00:22:59,679
side uh the starboard side of the craft

544
00:23:03,190 --> 00:23:01,039
that was facing me

545
00:23:04,789 --> 00:23:03,200
and uh faa regulations are very clear

546
00:23:06,149 --> 00:23:04,799
that red lights are not supposed to be

547
00:23:08,070 --> 00:23:06,159
on the right side they're either on the

548
00:23:09,350 --> 00:23:08,080
left or the top and bottom of the craft

549
00:23:11,110 --> 00:23:09,360
so i thought that was that was

550
00:23:14,390 --> 00:23:11,120
interesting that there was a non-faa

551
00:23:16,310 --> 00:23:14,400
pattern light on this object but as i

552
00:23:18,390 --> 00:23:16,320
did uh deeper research i found that

553
00:23:21,190 --> 00:23:18,400
there's all kinds of things that we can

554
00:23:24,549 --> 00:23:21,200
point to in in patents uh and papers in

555
00:23:27,590 --> 00:23:24,559
the white world uh all kinds of

556
00:23:29,669 --> 00:23:27,600
interesting dirigible uh blimp like

557
00:23:31,990 --> 00:23:29,679
technologies and i think that in the jet

558
00:23:34,230 --> 00:23:32,000
age and in the space age people think

559
00:23:36,230 --> 00:23:34,240
that probably blimps are

560
00:23:39,350 --> 00:23:36,240
old technology and i don't think that

561
00:23:41,590 --> 00:23:39,360
it's realized uh how integral they are

562
00:23:44,630 --> 00:23:41,600
to the aerospace industry and and used

563
00:23:46,390 --> 00:23:44,640
in all kinds of ways and um

564
00:23:48,230 --> 00:23:46,400
a lot of times i share some stuff about

565
00:23:50,070 --> 00:23:48,240
an interesting study i found this was a

566
00:23:51,350 --> 00:23:50,080
nid study that was done in the early

567
00:23:53,750 --> 00:23:51,360
2000s

568
00:23:55,350 --> 00:23:53,760
robert bigelow's nibs group

569
00:23:56,950 --> 00:23:55,360
and i point this out although i tell

570
00:23:59,350 --> 00:23:56,960
everybody to take it with a grain of

571
00:24:01,269 --> 00:23:59,360
salt and it's just something to point to

572
00:24:03,190 --> 00:24:01,279
for interest for people that are

573
00:24:05,510 --> 00:24:03,200
interested in black triangles but they

574
00:24:07,510 --> 00:24:05,520
did a study uh in the early 2000s they

575
00:24:09,830 --> 00:24:07,520
started in earnest in 2000 after the

576
00:24:12,950 --> 00:24:09,840
illinois black triangle sighting and

577
00:24:15,110 --> 00:24:12,960
they did a world or a country-wide study

578
00:24:17,029 --> 00:24:15,120
on black triangles for two years

579
00:24:19,990 --> 00:24:17,039
across sectioning all kinds of

580
00:24:20,950 --> 00:24:20,000
information and um essentially at the

581
00:24:23,190 --> 00:24:20,960
end of it

582
00:24:25,029 --> 00:24:23,200
including uh patents and witness reports

583
00:24:27,350 --> 00:24:25,039
and all kinds of things locations of

584
00:24:28,789 --> 00:24:27,360
military bases and again this is just

585
00:24:31,029 --> 00:24:28,799
something interesting to look at as a

586
00:24:32,870 --> 00:24:31,039
study but uh at the end they concluded

587
00:24:36,149 --> 00:24:32,880
that the black triangles actually were

588
00:24:39,350 --> 00:24:36,159
lighter than air uh divisibles that used

589
00:24:41,510 --> 00:24:39,360
uh an electrostatic motor of some kind

590
00:24:43,430 --> 00:24:41,520
and were used by the air force uh the

591
00:24:46,070 --> 00:24:43,440
air material command

592
00:24:47,750 --> 00:24:46,080
and those are very like specific uh

593
00:24:51,350 --> 00:24:47,760
conclusions to come to that that

594
00:24:53,750 --> 00:24:51,360
happened in 2002 two years later nids

595
00:24:56,630 --> 00:24:53,760
retracted that study in the conclusion

596
00:25:00,789 --> 00:24:56,640
without any reason why and disbanded

597
00:25:03,029 --> 00:25:00,799
essentially uh in 2004 just weeks later

598
00:25:04,710 --> 00:25:03,039
um but it's an interesting study to look

599
00:25:07,750 --> 00:25:04,720
at because it presents

600
00:25:09,909 --> 00:25:07,760
a possibility at least a possible answer

601
00:25:11,510 --> 00:25:09,919
for what some of these triangles could

602
00:25:13,190 --> 00:25:11,520
be based upon

603
00:25:15,669 --> 00:25:13,200
non

604
00:25:18,310 --> 00:25:15,679
physics breaking technology just a

605
00:25:20,390 --> 00:25:18,320
regular every old day technology that's

606
00:25:23,110 --> 00:25:20,400
very old that's applied in different

607
00:25:24,630 --> 00:25:23,120
ways with different new technology and i

608
00:25:26,310 --> 00:25:24,640
thought that was something that was very

609
00:25:28,789 --> 00:25:26,320
very interesting

610
00:25:31,110 --> 00:25:28,799
yeah i i myself have looked at some of

611
00:25:33,029 --> 00:25:31,120
the especially when they talk about you

612
00:25:34,310 --> 00:25:33,039
know the size of the craft and that it

613
00:25:35,990 --> 00:25:34,320
was silent

614
00:25:38,310 --> 00:25:36,000
this could be explained by a lighter

615
00:25:40,470 --> 00:25:38,320
than aircraft that was powered by

616
00:25:42,630 --> 00:25:40,480
something like electrogravitix just or

617
00:25:45,750 --> 00:25:42,640
that ion wind just shooting out the back

618
00:25:48,070 --> 00:25:45,760
to make it move slowly and silently

619
00:25:50,549 --> 00:25:48,080
but i i think that people go straight to

620
00:25:51,909 --> 00:25:50,559
the alien explanation far too quickly

621
00:25:52,950 --> 00:25:51,919
you know

622
00:25:54,630 --> 00:25:52,960
absolutely

623
00:25:56,390 --> 00:25:54,640
look at some of these some of these

624
00:25:59,110 --> 00:25:56,400
things look like

625
00:26:01,029 --> 00:25:59,120
something otherworldly you know

626
00:26:03,029 --> 00:26:01,039
no and some of them are very very large

627
00:26:06,549 --> 00:26:03,039
and even much larger than the 300 foot

628
00:26:09,909 --> 00:26:06,559
per side triangle that i saw um but uh i

629
00:26:11,830 --> 00:26:09,919
think something that's interesting is um

630
00:26:14,070 --> 00:26:11,840
you know when i first came across

631
00:26:16,070 --> 00:26:14,080
that and and opened my mind to the

632
00:26:18,470 --> 00:26:16,080
possibility that what i saw could have

633
00:26:19,750 --> 00:26:18,480
been some type of blimp technology

634
00:26:21,430 --> 00:26:19,760
um

635
00:26:23,029 --> 00:26:21,440
it was almost like

636
00:26:24,950 --> 00:26:23,039
i was surprised that it wasn't something

637
00:26:26,950 --> 00:26:24,960
that had crossed my mind before but

638
00:26:29,510 --> 00:26:26,960
again because that's never anything that

639
00:26:32,149 --> 00:26:29,520
i have heard posited in

640
00:26:34,710 --> 00:26:32,159
conversations with uh ufos or

641
00:26:36,710 --> 00:26:34,720
specifically black triangles um unless

642
00:26:38,630 --> 00:26:36,720
it's in a derogatory form balloons

643
00:26:41,669 --> 00:26:38,640
wasn't anything that i had even thought

644
00:26:43,669 --> 00:26:41,679
of say a flat triangular balloon of some

645
00:26:46,470 --> 00:26:43,679
kind but it's funny if you look at the

646
00:26:48,470 --> 00:26:46,480
history of black triangle reports again

647
00:26:50,950 --> 00:26:48,480
the the one that i saw in the mid 90s

648
00:26:52,470 --> 00:26:50,960
was very uh solid that the sides and the

649
00:26:53,909 --> 00:26:52,480
bottom were enclosed

650
00:26:56,470 --> 00:26:53,919
but if you look at some of the earliest

651
00:26:57,669 --> 00:26:56,480
reports going back to the you know 70s

652
00:26:59,590 --> 00:26:57,679
and 80s

653
00:27:01,269 --> 00:26:59,600
they don't actually follow that line so

654
00:27:03,590 --> 00:27:01,279
specifically some people talk about

655
00:27:05,430 --> 00:27:03,600
being able to see uh through you know

656
00:27:07,350 --> 00:27:05,440
inside the underneath of these triangles

657
00:27:09,590 --> 00:27:07,360
and to very clearly have seen uh what

658
00:27:12,310 --> 00:27:09,600
look to be girders and refrigeration

659
00:27:13,990 --> 00:27:12,320
type piping running throughout them um

660
00:27:16,230 --> 00:27:14,000
yeah there's some sort of there's some

661
00:27:18,710 --> 00:27:16,240
there's a lot of reports of that i know

662
00:27:21,110 --> 00:27:18,720
michael schrad has a lot of work on the

663
00:27:24,149 --> 00:27:21,120
people seeing some sort of mechanical

664
00:27:25,510 --> 00:27:24,159
underlay underneath the craft which

665
00:27:27,830 --> 00:27:25,520
i don't i don't know what an alien

666
00:27:29,350 --> 00:27:27,840
spacecraft looks like but that makes me

667
00:27:31,830 --> 00:27:29,360
think that it's some sort of earthly

668
00:27:33,269 --> 00:27:31,840
technology and actually the only reason

669
00:27:35,590 --> 00:27:33,279
that i got

670
00:27:37,909 --> 00:27:35,600
so the only reason that i caught that a

671
00:27:40,950 --> 00:27:37,919
lot of these things could be dirigibles

672
00:27:41,750 --> 00:27:40,960
airships blimps is because my father was

673
00:27:42,470 --> 00:27:41,760
sort of

674
00:27:44,149 --> 00:27:42,480
an

675
00:27:47,190 --> 00:27:44,159
aviation buff

676
00:27:48,789 --> 00:27:47,200
and and he had a lot he had this huge

677
00:27:51,909 --> 00:27:48,799
you know uh

678
00:27:54,789 --> 00:27:51,919
sort of collection of pictures of weird

679
00:27:56,789 --> 00:27:54,799
dirigibles blimps and and other

680
00:27:59,430 --> 00:27:56,799
you know things that people were trying

681
00:28:01,190 --> 00:27:59,440
to develop that technology didn't die

682
00:28:02,950 --> 00:28:01,200
you know with the zeppelins

683
00:28:04,950 --> 00:28:02,960
that people are still trying to develop

684
00:28:07,110 --> 00:28:04,960
it

685
00:28:09,190 --> 00:28:07,120
no absolutely and i actually uh on

686
00:28:11,510 --> 00:28:09,200
twitter i often share some of the new uh

687
00:28:13,590 --> 00:28:11,520
dirigible technologies and there's quite

688
00:28:16,070 --> 00:28:13,600
a few companies out there that are using

689
00:28:18,870 --> 00:28:16,080
dirigibles in all kinds of ways to put

690
00:28:19,990 --> 00:28:18,880
things uh into orbit and uh into into

691
00:28:23,110 --> 00:28:20,000
our sky

692
00:28:24,630 --> 00:28:23,120
and um at least this is a plausible

693
00:28:27,830 --> 00:28:24,640
explanation i think that could be

694
00:28:30,549 --> 00:28:27,840
posited with more uh evidence and

695
00:28:32,389 --> 00:28:30,559
historically based fact than say

696
00:28:35,110 --> 00:28:32,399
something more sensational like aliens

697
00:28:36,630 --> 00:28:35,120
or extraterrestrials ultra terrestrials

698
00:28:38,549 --> 00:28:36,640
and i think it's important because the

699
00:28:40,710 --> 00:28:38,559
conversation for some reason always

700
00:28:42,950 --> 00:28:40,720
escalates to that sensational level

701
00:28:46,070 --> 00:28:42,960
before first um

702
00:28:47,190 --> 00:28:46,080
eliminating other more less sensational

703
00:28:49,510 --> 00:28:47,200
things that could

704
00:28:50,789 --> 00:28:49,520
be probably factoring in

705
00:28:51,830 --> 00:28:50,799
um

706
00:28:55,029 --> 00:28:51,840
and

707
00:28:57,029 --> 00:28:55,039
i think it's important when we look at

708
00:28:58,630 --> 00:28:57,039
all kinds of things like in specifically

709
00:29:00,710 --> 00:28:58,640
triangles and even the story of

710
00:29:03,350 --> 00:29:00,720
rendersham and we see the way that that

711
00:29:05,269 --> 00:29:03,360
story has changed over the years yeah

712
00:29:07,510 --> 00:29:05,279
and they keep adding to it right they

713
00:29:08,710 --> 00:29:07,520
keep adding to it like the binary

714
00:29:10,710 --> 00:29:08,720
message

715
00:29:12,789 --> 00:29:10,720
and and i i don't know i just don't

716
00:29:14,470 --> 00:29:12,799
understand why time travelers or aliens

717
00:29:16,710 --> 00:29:14,480
would come all this way

718
00:29:18,470 --> 00:29:16,720
and then deliver a message in binary

719
00:29:20,070 --> 00:29:18,480
that translates to

720
00:29:22,710 --> 00:29:20,080
to english

721
00:29:25,110 --> 00:29:22,720
it just you know and that was tacked on

722
00:29:28,149 --> 00:29:25,120
and to this day i don't think he's

723
00:29:30,070 --> 00:29:28,159
released one page of you know you got to

724
00:29:31,669 --> 00:29:30,080
save something for later for that next

725
00:29:33,110 --> 00:29:31,679
documentary he hasn't

726
00:29:34,789 --> 00:29:33,120
released the train i don't think that

727
00:29:37,590 --> 00:29:34,799
they've ever released the translation of

728
00:29:39,029 --> 00:29:37,600
the total message just a portion of it

729
00:29:41,430 --> 00:29:39,039
and i mean i have a background in

730
00:29:43,269 --> 00:29:41,440
computer science so i i

731
00:29:45,590 --> 00:29:43,279
jumped on that and went this just

732
00:29:47,190 --> 00:29:45,600
doesn't make any sense like

733
00:29:49,350 --> 00:29:47,200
i i don't i don't understand that

734
00:29:51,190 --> 00:29:49,360
message and i don't understand it

735
00:29:52,230 --> 00:29:51,200
tacking on and you write the change of

736
00:29:53,669 --> 00:29:52,240
story

737
00:29:55,110 --> 00:29:53,679
and we have some people involved in that

738
00:29:57,669 --> 00:29:55,120
story where people claim you weren't

739
00:29:59,510 --> 00:29:57,679
there you were there you you know you're

740
00:30:01,190 --> 00:29:59,520
on the periphery you don't know anything

741
00:30:02,630 --> 00:30:01,200
about it but they try to make a living

742
00:30:04,549 --> 00:30:02,640
out of it

743
00:30:06,549 --> 00:30:04,559
it's it's right

744
00:30:09,909 --> 00:30:06,559
and i i think that that's a great

745
00:30:12,630 --> 00:30:09,919
representation of ufology cases

746
00:30:16,310 --> 00:30:12,640
in general and you know when that binary

747
00:30:18,789 --> 00:30:16,320
was released um it was uh during the

748
00:30:20,630 --> 00:30:18,799
what 30th anniversary

749
00:30:22,389 --> 00:30:20,640
of the rental shows you know there was

750
00:30:26,230 --> 00:30:22,399
books coming out about it people are

751
00:30:29,350 --> 00:30:26,240
certainly capitalizing on these things

752
00:30:31,110 --> 00:30:29,360
and their stories and the the provable

753
00:30:32,950 --> 00:30:31,120
fact is that their stories change and

754
00:30:35,190 --> 00:30:32,960
are altered and even to the point uh

755
00:30:39,350 --> 00:30:35,200
with people like uh john burroughs who

756
00:30:42,230 --> 00:30:39,360
haven't perhaps been so um

757
00:30:43,430 --> 00:30:42,240
varying in in their story but even now

758
00:30:46,549 --> 00:30:43,440
you know he came out with a new book

759
00:30:48,310 --> 00:30:46,559
just a year ago um that talks about the

760
00:30:50,789 --> 00:30:48,320
story in a whole kind of different

761
00:30:52,149 --> 00:30:50,799
manner including possible uh you know

762
00:30:54,470 --> 00:30:52,159
secret weapons that could have been

763
00:30:56,310 --> 00:30:54,480
being used that night and in fact the

764
00:30:58,950 --> 00:30:56,320
title of his book is weaponization of a

765
00:31:00,710 --> 00:30:58,960
uap and it talks about you know possible

766
00:31:02,870 --> 00:31:00,720
injuries that he sustained that the

767
00:31:04,950 --> 00:31:02,880
government's not being forthcoming about

768
00:31:06,789 --> 00:31:04,960
and that this is just a much very a very

769
00:31:08,789 --> 00:31:06,799
much different story than the one that

770
00:31:11,509 --> 00:31:08,799
came out in the early 80s and that

771
00:31:13,269 --> 00:31:11,519
people know to this day from you know

772
00:31:14,630 --> 00:31:13,279
unsolved mysteries if they were to dive

773
00:31:16,470 --> 00:31:14,640
deeply into that case i think they'd be

774
00:31:18,389 --> 00:31:16,480
very surprised about all the other

775
00:31:20,470 --> 00:31:18,399
facets to it that are not

776
00:31:22,789 --> 00:31:20,480
included in the main stream narrative

777
00:31:24,710 --> 00:31:22,799
and instead things are picked up that

778
00:31:26,310 --> 00:31:24,720
are only consistent with each other and

779
00:31:28,389 --> 00:31:26,320
i think it's important to note that and

780
00:31:30,549 --> 00:31:28,399
to keep that in mind when we evaluate

781
00:31:34,950 --> 00:31:30,559
and assess things like the nimitz event

782
00:31:38,549 --> 00:31:34,960
again uh it's a ufo encounter that only

783
00:31:40,789 --> 00:31:38,559
has uh military witnesses that

784
00:31:42,870 --> 00:31:40,799
we can get this information from

785
00:31:45,430 --> 00:31:42,880
and uh i would just

786
00:31:46,950 --> 00:31:45,440
urge everybody to be a little skeptical

787
00:31:48,310 --> 00:31:46,960
and scrutinous when they're processing

788
00:31:50,870 --> 00:31:48,320
the information and none of that has to

789
00:31:53,669 --> 00:31:50,880
equate to pilots or liars none of that

790
00:31:55,590 --> 00:31:53,679
has to equate to pilots are in act um

791
00:31:57,830 --> 00:31:55,600
none of that has to equate to any of

792
00:32:00,310 --> 00:31:57,840
that and nor the fact that some of these

793
00:32:02,870 --> 00:32:00,320
people may truly believe the things that

794
00:32:05,269 --> 00:32:02,880
they're saying and and i think that

795
00:32:09,669 --> 00:32:05,279
a lot of times the skepticism can be

796
00:32:12,310 --> 00:32:09,679
conflated as an overall dismissal or um

797
00:32:13,830 --> 00:32:12,320
a rebuff of that person's character

798
00:32:14,870 --> 00:32:13,840
and that's not the case at all as i know

799
00:32:17,350 --> 00:32:14,880
your viewers

800
00:32:20,310 --> 00:32:17,360
know know full well

801
00:32:21,750 --> 00:32:20,320
yeah and you know a lot of people

802
00:32:22,710 --> 00:32:21,760
will say uh

803
00:32:24,230 --> 00:32:22,720
you know

804
00:32:26,070 --> 00:32:24,240
in regard to some of these characters

805
00:32:29,430 --> 00:32:26,080
that i've looked into

806
00:32:31,990 --> 00:32:29,440
you know uh it's just it's shocking the

807
00:32:33,990 --> 00:32:32,000
number of of people that are sort of in

808
00:32:36,630 --> 00:32:34,000
it for the money or

809
00:32:38,789 --> 00:32:36,640
can't be trusted you know and and like i

810
00:32:39,750 --> 00:32:38,799
said there's a lot of money to be made

811
00:32:43,029 --> 00:32:39,760
so

812
00:32:44,630 --> 00:32:43,039
maybe that's a problem you know because

813
00:32:47,590 --> 00:32:44,640
i i think a lot of people think they can

814
00:32:49,430 --> 00:32:47,600
cash in and then once they do

815
00:32:51,190 --> 00:32:49,440
then they gotta attack on to the story

816
00:32:53,750 --> 00:32:51,200
because people like you know the

817
00:32:55,990 --> 00:32:53,760
original randallstrom story is one story

818
00:32:58,470 --> 00:32:56,000
then we tack on this extra stuff and

819
00:33:02,070 --> 00:32:58,480
there's binary messages and

820
00:33:05,830 --> 00:33:02,080
it just gets wilder and wilder you know

821
00:33:08,470 --> 00:33:05,840
yes the the in my mind the the main uh

822
00:33:10,470 --> 00:33:08,480
the common factor is is always money and

823
00:33:12,789 --> 00:33:10,480
profit and all of these stories and and

824
00:33:15,590 --> 00:33:12,799
again that that's even in in people that

825
00:33:17,669 --> 00:33:15,600
uh i i'm not saying are incredible or

826
00:33:19,830 --> 00:33:17,679
don't believe their their stories um

827
00:33:21,350 --> 00:33:19,840
this is very much a monetary thing and

828
00:33:24,149 --> 00:33:21,360
for instance when we talk about somebody

829
00:33:28,710 --> 00:33:24,159
like lou elizondo that's completely

830
00:33:30,310 --> 00:33:28,720
ignored uh or excused and again these

831
00:33:32,310 --> 00:33:30,320
these are things that are very dependent

832
00:33:33,029 --> 00:33:32,320
upon each other if someone's saying that

833
00:33:35,029 --> 00:33:33,039
they're

834
00:33:37,110 --> 00:33:35,039
uh they have no profit motives

835
00:33:40,389 --> 00:33:37,120
whatsoever and their only goal is to

836
00:33:42,389 --> 00:33:40,399
bring truth out and then there's plenty

837
00:33:44,310 --> 00:33:42,399
of evidence things that can be shown

838
00:33:45,509 --> 00:33:44,320
against that

839
00:33:47,190 --> 00:33:45,519
they need to be talked about they need

840
00:33:49,909 --> 00:33:47,200
to be addressed and whatever the answer

841
00:33:51,909 --> 00:33:49,919
is it should at least be included and

842
00:33:53,190 --> 00:33:51,919
looked for and factored into the overall

843
00:33:54,950 --> 00:33:53,200
conversation

844
00:33:57,830 --> 00:33:54,960
um

845
00:34:00,310 --> 00:33:57,840
yeah i think that jack has a good quote

846
00:34:02,549 --> 00:34:00,320
jack brewer has a great quote uh that i

847
00:34:04,230 --> 00:34:02,559
like to use and and he's just being

848
00:34:06,230 --> 00:34:04,240
broad and funny here but essentially you

849
00:34:08,389 --> 00:34:06,240
know it's it's all about money and

850
00:34:10,069 --> 00:34:08,399
everything else is to convince you that

851
00:34:12,069 --> 00:34:10,079
it's not and and i think a lot of people

852
00:34:14,629 --> 00:34:12,079
could probably relate like that uh or

853
00:34:17,669 --> 00:34:14,639
relate to that that comment and um i

854
00:34:20,310 --> 00:34:17,679
think that a lot of times when we have

855
00:34:24,470 --> 00:34:20,320
these kind of discussions it gets swept

856
00:34:27,030 --> 00:34:24,480
up into the broad um this you know

857
00:34:29,270 --> 00:34:27,040
label of uh conspiracy theory which in

858
00:34:31,349 --> 00:34:29,280
itself has always been funny to me in

859
00:34:34,790 --> 00:34:31,359
this topic which is essentially a giant

860
00:34:38,149 --> 00:34:34,800
conspiracy theory and um yeah

861
00:34:40,149 --> 00:34:38,159
for sure yeah absolutely for sure yeah

862
00:34:41,030 --> 00:34:40,159
or in regards

863
00:34:42,149 --> 00:34:41,040
to

864
00:34:44,149 --> 00:34:42,159
i'm sorry

865
00:34:46,230 --> 00:34:44,159
in regard to elizondo you know you're

866
00:34:47,589 --> 00:34:46,240
right he's like well i don't want a

867
00:34:48,629 --> 00:34:47,599
penny from you

868
00:34:51,190 --> 00:34:48,639
and then

869
00:34:53,109 --> 00:34:51,200
he sent a letter to the pentagon

870
00:34:55,430 --> 00:34:53,119
complaining because they're not

871
00:34:57,589 --> 00:34:55,440
verifying his stories

872
00:35:00,710 --> 00:34:57,599
that he's going to have a hard time

873
00:35:03,030 --> 00:35:00,720
making a living for him and his family

874
00:35:05,109 --> 00:35:03,040
so it's almost as if he's scolding them

875
00:35:07,430 --> 00:35:05,119
like you're not confirming my ufo

876
00:35:09,190 --> 00:35:07,440
stories and because of that i'm going to

877
00:35:11,430 --> 00:35:09,200
have a hard time making a living for my

878
00:35:13,270 --> 00:35:11,440
family and the other thing is it seems

879
00:35:14,790 --> 00:35:13,280
like he's tried to cash in every chance

880
00:35:17,030 --> 00:35:14,800
that he got he certainly cashed in with

881
00:35:18,710 --> 00:35:17,040
ttsa they paid them while they were

882
00:35:19,589 --> 00:35:18,720
screwing all the investors out of their

883
00:35:23,349 --> 00:35:19,599
money

884
00:35:25,829 --> 00:35:23,359
and then we have this uh phenom ai non

885
00:35:27,270 --> 00:35:25,839
and who owns that i looked into that and

886
00:35:31,510 --> 00:35:27,280
actually that

887
00:35:33,829 --> 00:35:31,520
uh business this phenom ai non uh you

888
00:35:35,910 --> 00:35:33,839
know sort of database website it was

889
00:35:39,349 --> 00:35:35,920
registered to a law firm in sheridan

890
00:35:42,230 --> 00:35:39,359
wyoming which was this the same

891
00:35:44,230 --> 00:35:42,240
law firm that registered sky for i and

892
00:35:45,190 --> 00:35:44,240
i've looked it up and it's it's like a

893
00:35:49,030 --> 00:35:45,200
shitty

894
00:35:52,390 --> 00:35:49,040
llc office above a church uh and it's

895
00:35:54,710 --> 00:35:52,400
about 30 minute drive from lou's home

896
00:35:56,550 --> 00:35:54,720
and it's the closest attorney i think to

897
00:35:59,750 --> 00:35:56,560
lose home so i guess

898
00:36:02,470 --> 00:35:59,760
elizondo owns that uh

899
00:36:03,829 --> 00:36:02,480
but the problem is that that state that

900
00:36:05,910 --> 00:36:03,839
he lives in

901
00:36:07,510 --> 00:36:05,920
it's a registered agent state in other

902
00:36:10,630 --> 00:36:07,520
words you're allowed to you're allowed

903
00:36:13,030 --> 00:36:10,640
to hide who the owner of the company is

904
00:36:15,030 --> 00:36:13,040
who the owner of the llc but

905
00:36:16,950 --> 00:36:15,040
from my looking into it it seems pretty

906
00:36:18,550 --> 00:36:16,960
clear that he's one of the owners or

907
00:36:20,390 --> 00:36:18,560
he's heavily involved in it he's been

908
00:36:22,630 --> 00:36:20,400
promoting it and of course that's a

909
00:36:24,950 --> 00:36:22,640
for-profit site that's extremely

910
00:36:26,550 --> 00:36:24,960
problematic because people are finding

911
00:36:28,870 --> 00:36:26,560
in the terms and conditions

912
00:36:31,670 --> 00:36:28,880
if you upload anything to that site they

913
00:36:33,589 --> 00:36:31,680
own it and you lose all your rights

914
00:36:35,910 --> 00:36:33,599
so it just seems like a lot of shady

915
00:36:38,470 --> 00:36:35,920
stuff going on and of course the money

916
00:36:40,230 --> 00:36:38,480
aspect as well

917
00:36:42,230 --> 00:36:40,240
yeah absolutely i think it's it would

918
00:36:44,710 --> 00:36:42,240
right now it's fair to put on the table

919
00:36:48,390 --> 00:36:44,720
that uh lou elizondo is involved with

920
00:36:50,390 --> 00:36:48,400
phenom ai uh nom or however you say it

921
00:36:52,710 --> 00:36:50,400
and as you pointed out this is just the

922
00:36:54,230 --> 00:36:52,720
latest in multiple

923
00:36:57,589 --> 00:36:54,240
short-term companies that have been

924
00:37:01,030 --> 00:36:57,599
formed to generate profit and from ttsa

925
00:37:02,950 --> 00:37:01,040
to this phenomena on um that is that is

926
00:37:04,150 --> 00:37:02,960
the goal and whether or not that goal is

927
00:37:07,190 --> 00:37:04,160
fulfilled

928
00:37:08,550 --> 00:37:07,200
uh doesn't erase that intention and i

929
00:37:10,150 --> 00:37:08,560
don't think that just because people are

930
00:37:12,310 --> 00:37:10,160
looking to make a profit that that

931
00:37:14,310 --> 00:37:12,320
somehow destroys their credibility or

932
00:37:16,950 --> 00:37:14,320
takes away from what they claim to be

933
00:37:19,270 --> 00:37:16,960
doing but if all kinds of other things

934
00:37:20,550 --> 00:37:19,280
take away from their credibility and do

935
00:37:22,470 --> 00:37:20,560
not mesh with the story that they're

936
00:37:24,230 --> 00:37:22,480
giving that that has to be taken into

937
00:37:25,510 --> 00:37:24,240
effect and like you said you know

938
00:37:28,230 --> 00:37:25,520
elizondo

939
00:37:31,109 --> 00:37:28,240
uh is one of many people who often claim

940
00:37:33,510 --> 00:37:31,119
that you know the the united states uh

941
00:37:35,910 --> 00:37:33,520
their secrecy the government secrecy is

942
00:37:38,550 --> 00:37:35,920
itself an admission or an affirmation of

943
00:37:41,030 --> 00:37:38,560
their assertions and claims and that is

944
00:37:43,670 --> 00:37:41,040
very very far from the truth and you

945
00:37:46,069 --> 00:37:43,680
know absence of evidence is not absence

946
00:37:47,670 --> 00:37:46,079
of evidence is never evidence to me you

947
00:37:49,589 --> 00:37:47,680
know i i hate when people do that

948
00:37:51,109 --> 00:37:49,599
they're like well why wouldn't they why

949
00:37:53,030 --> 00:37:51,119
of course they're covering this up

950
00:37:55,190 --> 00:37:53,040
because we can't find any records about

951
00:37:57,430 --> 00:37:55,200
it doesn't mean they're it just

952
00:37:58,790 --> 00:37:57,440
it's that men in black that shadowy

953
00:37:59,910 --> 00:37:58,800
organization

954
00:38:00,790 --> 00:37:59,920
you know

955
00:38:02,150 --> 00:38:00,800
uh

956
00:38:04,790 --> 00:38:02,160
people are having a laugh about the

957
00:38:08,230 --> 00:38:04,800
felon five right now

958
00:38:10,390 --> 00:38:08,240
and i just want to thank lou from ucr

959
00:38:12,230 --> 00:38:10,400
for releasing private text messages

960
00:38:15,349 --> 00:38:12,240
where my name was mentioned and there

961
00:38:17,670 --> 00:38:15,359
was a discussion about felons in ufology

962
00:38:20,069 --> 00:38:17,680
because all week long this week i've had

963
00:38:23,109 --> 00:38:20,079
to answer all these emails and messages

964
00:38:24,150 --> 00:38:23,119
no i'm not a felon i have zero criminal

965
00:38:26,630 --> 00:38:24,160
record

966
00:38:28,150 --> 00:38:26,640
and you know it was pretty irresponsible

967
00:38:30,550 --> 00:38:28,160
for somebody to release a message with

968
00:38:32,710 --> 00:38:30,560
my name on it talking about people being

969
00:38:35,510 --> 00:38:32,720
felons in this thing because now i have

970
00:38:37,829 --> 00:38:35,520
to i i feel like i i've been defending

971
00:38:39,030 --> 00:38:37,839
myself all week no i'm not a criminal

972
00:38:42,950 --> 00:38:39,040
i've never

973
00:38:45,990 --> 00:38:42,960
never had a criminal conviction i'm good

974
00:38:48,390 --> 00:38:46,000
and it you know this attack this is what

975
00:38:49,670 --> 00:38:48,400
he's been doing now is is basically lou

976
00:38:51,349 --> 00:38:49,680
elizondo

977
00:38:53,190 --> 00:38:51,359
i don't think it's a coincidence that

978
00:38:56,550 --> 00:38:53,200
all of his critics are being labeled as

979
00:38:58,870 --> 00:38:56,560
felons he's telling other podcast hosts

980
00:39:01,270 --> 00:38:58,880
and show hosts these are the people that

981
00:39:02,950 --> 00:39:01,280
you need to avoid

982
00:39:05,349 --> 00:39:02,960
maybe he just doesn't want them hearing

983
00:39:07,670 --> 00:39:05,359
the truth about him as he goes and does

984
00:39:08,790 --> 00:39:07,680
the circle jerk on some of these shows

985
00:39:10,870 --> 00:39:08,800
you know it's

986
00:39:12,550 --> 00:39:10,880
this is getting crazier and crazier this

987
00:39:15,270 --> 00:39:12,560
whole situation

988
00:39:17,190 --> 00:39:15,280
buffon also mentioned gufon was also

989
00:39:19,829 --> 00:39:17,200
mentioned in that message and he has

990
00:39:21,990 --> 00:39:19,839
zero criminal record too but people are

991
00:39:24,950 --> 00:39:22,000
are now accusing both of us of being

992
00:39:26,950 --> 00:39:24,960
convicted criminal felons because we ask

993
00:39:29,990 --> 00:39:26,960
questions because we didn't believe

994
00:39:31,829 --> 00:39:30,000
luella zondo's narrative and by the way

995
00:39:33,750 --> 00:39:31,839
i try not to be too harsh but anybody

996
00:39:36,150 --> 00:39:33,760
that does believe his narrative you got

997
00:39:37,030 --> 00:39:36,160
to do a lot of mental gymnastics you

998
00:39:39,589 --> 00:39:37,040
know

999
00:39:42,950 --> 00:39:39,599
i was i was ahead of this organization

1000
00:39:45,750 --> 00:39:42,960
no you weren't uh i had uh 22 million

1001
00:39:47,430 --> 00:39:45,760
dollars in funding no you didn't

1002
00:39:49,750 --> 00:39:47,440
and it gets worse and worse from there

1003
00:39:51,510 --> 00:39:49,760
he was just on fox news right like

1004
00:39:53,910 --> 00:39:51,520
quoting oh these are recently

1005
00:39:55,030 --> 00:39:53,920
declassified documents and it turns out

1006
00:39:56,870 --> 00:39:55,040
that they were

1007
00:39:59,030 --> 00:39:56,880
nothing burgers

1008
00:40:02,390 --> 00:39:59,040
and the tic tac he talked about was an

1009
00:40:05,109 --> 00:40:02,400
advertising blimp or balloon

1010
00:40:07,030 --> 00:40:05,119
yep and we could go on all day you know

1011
00:40:09,510 --> 00:40:07,040
it was like i know we're trying to stay

1012
00:40:12,630 --> 00:40:09,520
away from him yeah attend a 10-year

1013
00:40:15,829 --> 00:40:12,640
pentagon ufo investigation program to

1014
00:40:18,150 --> 00:40:15,839
now it's a portfolio you know a director

1015
00:40:20,550 --> 00:40:18,160
to it was just part of you know his

1016
00:40:22,790 --> 00:40:20,560
other duties and the bottom line is you

1017
00:40:24,790 --> 00:40:22,800
know we've we've seen now

1018
00:40:27,910 --> 00:40:24,800
thousands of documents related to the

1019
00:40:31,750 --> 00:40:27,920
ossat program we still have not seen one

1020
00:40:34,950 --> 00:40:31,760
document with atip on it whatsoever from

1021
00:40:36,390 --> 00:40:34,960
anywhere not the nsa not the dia not in

1022
00:40:38,790 --> 00:40:36,400
emails we've literally never seen

1023
00:40:41,349 --> 00:40:38,800
anything to confirm that that program

1024
00:40:44,390 --> 00:40:41,359
exists except for unsubstantiated

1025
00:40:47,990 --> 00:40:44,400
testimony of again authoritative figures

1026
00:40:50,870 --> 00:40:48,000
like elizondo and uh and harry reid and

1027
00:40:53,910 --> 00:40:50,880
um you know the conversation um about

1028
00:40:56,950 --> 00:40:53,920
what louisando is doing in um private

1029
00:40:58,550 --> 00:40:56,960
messages with people who influence the

1030
00:41:00,390 --> 00:40:58,560
you know community opinion and talk

1031
00:41:01,750 --> 00:41:00,400
about what's going on that's certainly

1032
00:41:04,470 --> 00:41:01,760
important and that's a discussion that

1033
00:41:07,670 --> 00:41:04,480
has to be you know i think met it out

1034
00:41:09,270 --> 00:41:07,680
and absolutely and understood

1035
00:41:11,030 --> 00:41:09,280
and the whole thing about the paperwork

1036
00:41:13,829 --> 00:41:11,040
that killed me is like

1037
00:41:16,230 --> 00:41:13,839
shortly before stanton freeman died i

1038
00:41:19,190 --> 00:41:16,240
was talking to him i interviewed him a

1039
00:41:21,430 --> 00:41:19,200
few times and i asked him

1040
00:41:23,190 --> 00:41:21,440
i want to look into this louisando

1041
00:41:25,829 --> 00:41:23,200
because he's making a lot of claims here

1042
00:41:28,150 --> 00:41:25,839
but he doesn't have any paperwork and i

1043
00:41:30,710 --> 00:41:28,160
asked dan friedman who's an archive he

1044
00:41:31,349 --> 00:41:30,720
loved digging through government files

1045
00:41:38,230 --> 00:41:31,359
and

1046
00:41:39,910 --> 00:41:38,240
a mountain if this guy investigated ufos

1047
00:41:42,630 --> 00:41:39,920
for 10 years for the united states

1048
00:41:43,829 --> 00:41:42,640
government there would be a mountain of

1049
00:41:45,910 --> 00:41:43,839
paperwork

1050
00:41:48,150 --> 00:41:45,920
there would be a mountain of it and then

1051
00:41:48,950 --> 00:41:48,160
he said express the same concerns he

1052
00:41:50,710 --> 00:41:48,960
said

1053
00:41:54,069 --> 00:41:50,720
i haven't looked too deeply but i

1054
00:41:56,069 --> 00:41:54,079
haven't found anything no paper nothing

1055
00:41:58,069 --> 00:41:56,079
and and i agree with you like why is

1056
00:42:00,550 --> 00:41:58,079
there no papers it doesn't make any

1057
00:42:02,630 --> 00:42:00,560
sense if the guy did 10 years and and

1058
00:42:05,270 --> 00:42:02,640
you know people who support him they're

1059
00:42:06,870 --> 00:42:05,280
like well he investigated ufos or they

1060
00:42:08,950 --> 00:42:06,880
put him on a television show and they

1061
00:42:10,309 --> 00:42:08,960
say he investigated ufos for the us

1062
00:42:11,910 --> 00:42:10,319
government

1063
00:42:14,309 --> 00:42:11,920
where's the reports where's the

1064
00:42:16,550 --> 00:42:14,319
paperwork where's the meeting notes

1065
00:42:19,030 --> 00:42:16,560
where's the you know uh

1066
00:42:20,950 --> 00:42:19,040
did he did he ever get up out of the

1067
00:42:22,950 --> 00:42:20,960
desk and go somewhere and investigate

1068
00:42:24,790 --> 00:42:22,960
anything i don't think so because there

1069
00:42:27,589 --> 00:42:24,800
would be paperwork and there just is

1070
00:42:29,030 --> 00:42:27,599
nothing i've looked i'm sure uh john

1071
00:42:30,710 --> 00:42:29,040
from the black vault has done a better

1072
00:42:33,109 --> 00:42:30,720
job at me at looking

1073
00:42:35,190 --> 00:42:33,119
nobody can find any papers about this

1074
00:42:36,950 --> 00:42:35,200
guy investigating ufos

1075
00:42:38,630 --> 00:42:36,960
and more importantly

1076
00:42:41,510 --> 00:42:38,640
you know and people can

1077
00:42:43,589 --> 00:42:41,520
use the excuse that um or you know put

1078
00:42:46,150 --> 00:42:43,599
for a reason of that that the government

1079
00:42:47,990 --> 00:42:46,160
is hiding it and uh objecting it and

1080
00:42:49,910 --> 00:42:48,000
it's the men in black yeah and that's

1081
00:42:51,829 --> 00:42:49,920
that's fine but that's been the story

1082
00:42:53,829 --> 00:42:51,839
for 80 years so for a lot of people i

1083
00:42:55,910 --> 00:42:53,839
think we have a hard time seeing that

1084
00:42:58,950 --> 00:42:55,920
elizondo would come into a community

1085
00:43:00,790 --> 00:42:58,960
that's had such a history of obfuscation

1086
00:43:01,829 --> 00:43:00,800
and hoaxes and claims of government

1087
00:43:04,550 --> 00:43:01,839
cover-up

1088
00:43:07,030 --> 00:43:04,560
and give a story like that that he was

1089
00:43:09,430 --> 00:43:07,040
the director of a 10-year ufo program

1090
00:43:12,470 --> 00:43:09,440
called atip without being prepared to

1091
00:43:14,710 --> 00:43:12,480
validate that with one piece of solid

1092
00:43:16,550 --> 00:43:14,720
unambiguous evidence to support his

1093
00:43:19,109 --> 00:43:16,560
story and it's not well he does have

1094
00:43:21,430 --> 00:43:19,119
that letter from ian he does have that

1095
00:43:23,990 --> 00:43:21,440
letter from harry reid who was close to

1096
00:43:25,430 --> 00:43:24,000
death and one of his friends again and

1097
00:43:27,589 --> 00:43:25,440
again there's no there's no

1098
00:43:29,670 --> 00:43:27,599
accountability for harry reid we can't

1099
00:43:31,990 --> 00:43:29,680
pick we can't pick up the phone and go

1100
00:43:34,309 --> 00:43:32,000
harry reid you said this can we see some

1101
00:43:37,109 --> 00:43:34,319
backup or some evidence that your claims

1102
00:43:38,550 --> 00:43:37,119
are correct about him or is is this

1103
00:43:41,109 --> 00:43:38,560
whole thing as many people have

1104
00:43:43,510 --> 00:43:41,119
suggested that lou elizondo had some

1105
00:43:45,430 --> 00:43:43,520
totally unrelated job but him and his

1106
00:43:48,470 --> 00:43:45,440
buddies in the pentagon were interested

1107
00:43:50,550 --> 00:43:48,480
in ufos so maybe they looked into some

1108
00:43:54,069 --> 00:43:50,560
things looked for some

1109
00:43:56,069 --> 00:43:54,079
documents videos paperwork on it but it

1110
00:43:58,950 --> 00:43:56,079
wasn't an official program because it

1111
00:44:01,109 --> 00:43:58,960
had no funding so it was basically i

1112
00:44:02,790 --> 00:44:01,119
think it was a bunch of guys that worked

1113
00:44:05,829 --> 00:44:02,800
at the pentagon and

1114
00:44:08,069 --> 00:44:05,839
as a hobby in their spare time they

1115
00:44:11,349 --> 00:44:08,079
looked at the ufos a little bit inside

1116
00:44:13,430 --> 00:44:11,359
the pentagon but that and saying i ran a

1117
00:44:14,390 --> 00:44:13,440
program that investigated ufos for 10

1118
00:44:16,870 --> 00:44:14,400
years

1119
00:44:18,790 --> 00:44:16,880
it's just it's it's too different you

1120
00:44:21,109 --> 00:44:18,800
know if it was close with him i'd give

1121
00:44:22,870 --> 00:44:21,119
him a pass you know like what if they

1122
00:44:25,510 --> 00:44:22,880
came out and they said well

1123
00:44:27,349 --> 00:44:25,520
first he was involved then he ran it but

1124
00:44:29,510 --> 00:44:27,359
they didn't really do too much or or

1125
00:44:31,589 --> 00:44:29,520
whatever if we got some

1126
00:44:34,309 --> 00:44:31,599
some semblance of truth out of them and

1127
00:44:36,309 --> 00:44:34,319
all of the ambiguity like you said he

1128
00:44:38,470 --> 00:44:36,319
did run the program he didn't run it he

1129
00:44:39,750 --> 00:44:38,480
had no assigned responsibilities then

1130
00:44:42,790 --> 00:44:39,760
he's

1131
00:44:45,349 --> 00:44:42,800
filing ag reports or uh and you know he

1132
00:44:47,109 --> 00:44:45,359
wants them investigated for not backing

1133
00:44:49,270 --> 00:44:47,119
up his claims because he can't make a

1134
00:44:51,670 --> 00:44:49,280
living for him and his family

1135
00:44:53,990 --> 00:44:51,680
it's crazy

1136
00:44:56,630 --> 00:44:54,000
yep and again you know all we have to

1137
00:44:58,870 --> 00:44:56,640
support these are his unsubstantiated

1138
00:45:01,430 --> 00:44:58,880
claims and other people that were you

1139
00:45:03,430 --> 00:45:01,440
know close to him and also are having a

1140
00:45:05,109 --> 00:45:03,440
part in this narrative and harry reid

1141
00:45:07,030 --> 00:45:05,119
didn't say you know he didn't present

1142
00:45:09,190 --> 00:45:07,040
that letter saying that

1143
00:45:10,790 --> 00:45:09,200
elizondo's claims were true and here's

1144
00:45:12,630 --> 00:45:10,800
some documents to prove it here's some

1145
00:45:15,430 --> 00:45:12,640
things to back it up again it was just

1146
00:45:17,910 --> 00:45:15,440
take my word i'm a politician you know

1147
00:45:19,910 --> 00:45:17,920
me i'm harry reid take my word and we're

1148
00:45:21,589 --> 00:45:19,920
just supposed to do that and if people

1149
00:45:23,349 --> 00:45:21,599
want to that's fine but there's many

1150
00:45:24,790 --> 00:45:23,359
other people that don't want to just

1151
00:45:27,270 --> 00:45:24,800
take someone's word because of the

1152
00:45:30,230 --> 00:45:27,280
history that we have in this topic and i

1153
00:45:33,270 --> 00:45:30,240
mean um i just really want to touch

1154
00:45:34,710 --> 00:45:33,280
on elizondo with the criminal

1155
00:45:36,150 --> 00:45:34,720
comment

1156
00:45:38,230 --> 00:45:36,160
what's going on in dms that's one

1157
00:45:41,190 --> 00:45:38,240
conversation but you know alexander has

1158
00:45:43,589 --> 00:45:41,200
been very plain in recent interviews uh

1159
00:45:46,150 --> 00:45:43,599
to be very broad with the the brush that

1160
00:45:48,550 --> 00:45:46,160
he paints people as criminals uh with

1161
00:45:50,390 --> 00:45:48,560
and essentially you know his critics

1162
00:45:52,470 --> 00:45:50,400
it's very specific about that i'm a

1163
00:45:54,390 --> 00:45:52,480
criminal because i ask questions yeah

1164
00:45:56,230 --> 00:45:54,400
i'm a criminal all i did is ask

1165
00:45:58,150 --> 00:45:56,240
questions

1166
00:45:59,349 --> 00:45:58,160
right right and the big problem you know

1167
00:46:01,589 --> 00:45:59,359
at least the

1168
00:46:04,150 --> 00:46:01,599
what he may be doing in dms is one thing

1169
00:46:06,069 --> 00:46:04,160
to be specifically naming people but in

1170
00:46:08,230 --> 00:46:06,079
interviews he does not name people it's

1171
00:46:09,190 --> 00:46:08,240
just a broad brush that you know his

1172
00:46:11,670 --> 00:46:09,200
critics

1173
00:46:13,750 --> 00:46:11,680
are you know criminals and bad people

1174
00:46:15,270 --> 00:46:13,760
and maybe not all of them but now we

1175
00:46:16,870 --> 00:46:15,280
don't know which ones he's even talking

1176
00:46:19,030 --> 00:46:16,880
about so it could literally be any of

1177
00:46:21,510 --> 00:46:19,040
them and it's just you know not for

1178
00:46:24,069 --> 00:46:21,520
nothing but you know one-third of

1179
00:46:25,510 --> 00:46:24,079
americans and adults in the uk have an

1180
00:46:27,430 --> 00:46:25,520
arrest record and i don't think that

1181
00:46:30,790 --> 00:46:27,440
they should be judged or would want to

1182
00:46:33,349 --> 00:46:30,800
be judged you know solely upon that and

1183
00:46:37,349 --> 00:46:33,359
unless this these are crimes uh of

1184
00:46:41,510 --> 00:46:39,430
yeah that's my thing like

1185
00:46:43,510 --> 00:46:41,520
there are some people within the ufo

1186
00:46:45,109 --> 00:46:43,520
community that pled guilty to fraud

1187
00:46:47,829 --> 00:46:45,119
related charges

1188
00:46:50,230 --> 00:46:47,839
and they're selling super sketchy

1189
00:46:51,910 --> 00:46:50,240
let's just say super sketchy medical

1190
00:46:54,870 --> 00:46:51,920
devices or

1191
00:46:57,910 --> 00:46:54,880
uh you know begging for money for a

1192
00:47:00,470 --> 00:46:57,920
non-profit organization and they have

1193
00:47:03,190 --> 00:47:00,480
pled guilty to fraud related charges in

1194
00:47:06,390 --> 00:47:03,200
their past in that circumstance if this

1195
00:47:07,910 --> 00:47:06,400
is relevant we can talk about that but

1196
00:47:10,470 --> 00:47:07,920
for somebody you know maybe somebody

1197
00:47:12,069 --> 00:47:10,480
made a mistake 10 years ago i don't

1198
00:47:13,750 --> 00:47:12,079
think we should crucify him and you're

1199
00:47:16,870 --> 00:47:13,760
right about the broad brush he's doing

1200
00:47:19,030 --> 00:47:16,880
this purposefully because now anybody

1201
00:47:19,829 --> 00:47:19,040
that questions lou elizondo

1202
00:47:21,589 --> 00:47:19,839
is

1203
00:47:22,710 --> 00:47:21,599
basically labeled they're probably a

1204
00:47:25,910 --> 00:47:22,720
criminal

1205
00:47:27,750 --> 00:47:25,920
right and and and it just so happens

1206
00:47:30,230 --> 00:47:27,760
that all of his critics a hundred

1207
00:47:31,750 --> 00:47:30,240
percent of his critics or people asking

1208
00:47:32,549 --> 00:47:31,760
the hard questions

1209
00:47:35,030 --> 00:47:32,559
he's

1210
00:47:36,710 --> 00:47:35,040
basically saying are all criminals this

1211
00:47:38,950 --> 00:47:36,720
is crazy

1212
00:47:41,190 --> 00:47:38,960
and this happened with corey good too it

1213
00:47:42,950 --> 00:47:41,200
should be it should be noted this is why

1214
00:47:45,270 --> 00:47:42,960
you always study the history of this

1215
00:47:47,270 --> 00:47:45,280
thing because corey goode

1216
00:47:49,750 --> 00:47:47,280
lost his goddamn mind when people

1217
00:47:51,510 --> 00:47:49,760
started criticizing him and his wackadoo

1218
00:47:53,430 --> 00:47:51,520
buck rogers space science fiction

1219
00:47:55,829 --> 00:47:53,440
stories on the internet he started

1220
00:47:57,190 --> 00:47:55,839
saying all kinds of stuff oh my critics

1221
00:47:59,670 --> 00:47:57,200
they're cyber stalking me they're

1222
00:48:02,230 --> 00:47:59,680
getting investigated by the fbi the

1223
00:48:04,790 --> 00:48:02,240
police are involved they're criminals

1224
00:48:07,030 --> 00:48:04,800
he this is exactly from corey good's

1225
00:48:09,430 --> 00:48:07,040
playbook he cannot

1226
00:48:11,270 --> 00:48:09,440
he cannot withstand the questions

1227
00:48:13,670 --> 00:48:11,280
and he can't explain the questions and

1228
00:48:16,309 --> 00:48:13,680
all the inconsistencies away so what do

1229
00:48:18,470 --> 00:48:16,319
you do when you can't change the message

1230
00:48:20,870 --> 00:48:18,480
you gotta kill the messenger that's what

1231
00:48:23,829 --> 00:48:20,880
i think he's trying to do here

1232
00:48:25,910 --> 00:48:23,839
yeah and again it speaks to the appeal

1233
00:48:27,670 --> 00:48:25,920
to authority that this community and the

1234
00:48:29,349 --> 00:48:27,680
events and the credibility of

1235
00:48:32,150 --> 00:48:29,359
individuals is

1236
00:48:34,390 --> 00:48:32,160
solely based upon again no one whether

1237
00:48:36,470 --> 00:48:34,400
they have an arrest record or not

1238
00:48:38,710 --> 00:48:36,480
is always credible no one is always

1239
00:48:41,270 --> 00:48:38,720
right we are human beings we're fallible

1240
00:48:43,990 --> 00:48:41,280
and we're subject to all kinds of things

1241
00:48:46,230 --> 00:48:44,000
uh that does not make our credibility

1242
00:48:49,109 --> 00:48:46,240
constant so credibility has to be

1243
00:48:51,030 --> 00:48:49,119
reassessed and for every claim

1244
00:48:53,589 --> 00:48:51,040
regardless of the claimant per the

1245
00:48:55,430 --> 00:48:53,599
evidence and that's not something that

1246
00:48:57,670 --> 00:48:55,440
uh anybody wants to have a conversation

1247
00:48:59,910 --> 00:48:57,680
about because that would include

1248
00:49:02,069 --> 00:48:59,920
whether you're the director of the cia

1249
00:49:03,829 --> 00:49:02,079
or lou elizondo or someone who's a

1250
00:49:06,230 --> 00:49:03,839
criminal with a conviction for drunk

1251
00:49:07,510 --> 00:49:06,240
driving or even crimes of deception

1252
00:49:09,510 --> 00:49:07,520
again if someone has a crime of

1253
00:49:11,750 --> 00:49:09,520
deception that's a red flag that you

1254
00:49:13,829 --> 00:49:11,760
would want to very be very scrutinous

1255
00:49:17,109 --> 00:49:13,839
but we have a a long

1256
00:49:19,190 --> 00:49:17,119
uh evidenced history of instances where

1257
00:49:21,109 --> 00:49:19,200
these appeals to authority were just

1258
00:49:22,710 --> 00:49:21,119
flat wrong for all kinds of reasons and

1259
00:49:24,790 --> 00:49:22,720
that's why you know i get back to the

1260
00:49:27,030 --> 00:49:24,800
point where credibility is just it's not

1261
00:49:29,109 --> 00:49:27,040
constant no one's always credible you

1262
00:49:32,150 --> 00:49:29,119
know whether they're a reporter or a

1263
00:49:33,990 --> 00:49:32,160
president or just an average joe um they

1264
00:49:35,109 --> 00:49:34,000
have to be held to the evidence and if

1265
00:49:37,190 --> 00:49:35,119
someone's saying that you know they

1266
00:49:38,549 --> 00:49:37,200
walked out to the garage and got their

1267
00:49:40,069 --> 00:49:38,559
rake yeah i'm probably not going to

1268
00:49:42,950 --> 00:49:40,079
verify that but when we're starting to

1269
00:49:45,510 --> 00:49:42,960
talk about very extreme sensational

1270
00:49:48,470 --> 00:49:45,520
claims like we're being visited people

1271
00:49:51,030 --> 00:49:48,480
are being affected abducted medically

1272
00:49:52,950 --> 00:49:51,040
affected um and we're now having

1273
00:49:54,950 --> 00:49:52,960
congressional hearings and possibly

1274
00:49:57,510 --> 00:49:54,960
spending lots of taxpayer money in the

1275
00:49:59,190 --> 00:49:57,520
next 10 years based upon this narrative

1276
00:50:01,349 --> 00:49:59,200
i think these are things that need to be

1277
00:50:04,150 --> 00:50:01,359
looked at with scrutiny as we don't have

1278
00:50:06,790 --> 00:50:04,160
any evidence of any of those claims ever

1279
00:50:07,670 --> 00:50:06,800
being true in 80 years

1280
00:50:09,990 --> 00:50:07,680
yeah

1281
00:50:11,589 --> 00:50:10,000
i i absolutely agree with you and i also

1282
00:50:14,230 --> 00:50:11,599
want to ask you because

1283
00:50:15,750 --> 00:50:14,240
i don't know you very well like so i

1284
00:50:16,630 --> 00:50:15,760
don't care if you agree with me or not

1285
00:50:18,950 --> 00:50:16,640
but

1286
00:50:20,950 --> 00:50:18,960
i have long said that there's a lot of

1287
00:50:22,870 --> 00:50:20,960
show hosts that are compromised and

1288
00:50:25,190 --> 00:50:22,880
they're in on the game

1289
00:50:29,349 --> 00:50:25,200
and and we see we just saw evidence of

1290
00:50:32,150 --> 00:50:29,359
this of a show saying use me like a tool

1291
00:50:34,390 --> 00:50:32,160
and and that was to me i don't know why

1292
00:50:37,109 --> 00:50:34,400
that guy released that text message like

1293
00:50:39,109 --> 00:50:37,119
that paints him as somebody who's just

1294
00:50:40,390 --> 00:50:39,119
willing to play along whatever the

1295
00:50:42,549 --> 00:50:40,400
agenda is

1296
00:50:45,349 --> 00:50:42,559
it's it's not an impartial person that

1297
00:50:47,990 --> 00:50:45,359
says let me be your tool

1298
00:50:50,630 --> 00:50:48,000
and your tool belt to help you

1299
00:50:52,549 --> 00:50:50,640
and and we see evidence of of this in

1300
00:50:54,950 --> 00:50:52,559
other shows you know i've talked about

1301
00:50:58,950 --> 00:50:54,960
this game where it's a big club and i

1302
00:51:01,190 --> 00:50:58,960
ain't in it you know obviously certain

1303
00:51:02,309 --> 00:51:01,200
ufo celebrities won't come here because

1304
00:51:04,069 --> 00:51:02,319
they know

1305
00:51:06,230 --> 00:51:04,079
that i have the goods on them and they

1306
00:51:08,790 --> 00:51:06,240
know i'm gonna ask them about

1307
00:51:11,349 --> 00:51:08,800
stuff they faked or you know whatever

1308
00:51:12,549 --> 00:51:11,359
but other show hosts play this game

1309
00:51:14,950 --> 00:51:12,559
it's like

1310
00:51:16,950 --> 00:51:14,960
i'm gonna softball you i'm not gonna

1311
00:51:18,950 --> 00:51:16,960
talk about the proof like how many shows

1312
00:51:20,870 --> 00:51:18,960
has nick pope been on and i've never

1313
00:51:23,030 --> 00:51:20,880
seen anybody gotcha him with all those

1314
00:51:25,349 --> 00:51:23,040
documents from the british government

1315
00:51:26,950 --> 00:51:25,359
saying that he didn't investigate [\h__\h]

1316
00:51:29,750 --> 00:51:26,960
for the british government you know

1317
00:51:30,950 --> 00:51:29,760
that's just one example and elizondo

1318
00:51:33,510 --> 00:51:30,960
it's well known

1319
00:51:36,069 --> 00:51:33,520
it's kind of accepted now that he

1320
00:51:38,470 --> 00:51:36,079
will only go on the shows that will play

1321
00:51:41,750 --> 00:51:38,480
along and do the circle jerk and not ask

1322
00:51:42,950 --> 00:51:41,760
him about all the inconsistencies

1323
00:51:44,230 --> 00:51:42,960
what do you think do you think that

1324
00:51:46,630 --> 00:51:44,240
there's a lot of

1325
00:51:49,190 --> 00:51:46,640
is it an op are they using these people

1326
00:51:51,270 --> 00:51:49,200
as useful idiots are people just doing

1327
00:51:52,390 --> 00:51:51,280
it for for the profit and the clicks and

1328
00:51:55,190 --> 00:51:52,400
the views

1329
00:51:57,589 --> 00:51:55,200
what's your take on this

1330
00:51:59,030 --> 00:51:57,599
well i think that again like people are

1331
00:52:00,549 --> 00:51:59,040
here for different reasons and people do

1332
00:52:02,390 --> 00:52:00,559
things for different reasons and have

1333
00:52:04,950 --> 00:52:02,400
different agendas and goals and

1334
00:52:08,230 --> 00:52:04,960
oftentimes we're seeing a very limited

1335
00:52:09,829 --> 00:52:08,240
intersecting picture of those things um

1336
00:52:12,230 --> 00:52:09,839
and we're being told that it's something

1337
00:52:15,589 --> 00:52:12,240
uh and we're just supposed to believe it

1338
00:52:18,790 --> 00:52:15,599
and again uh do i think that elizondo

1339
00:52:21,190 --> 00:52:18,800
is selectively uh going on to only shows

1340
00:52:24,309 --> 00:52:21,200
that will be soft to him so that he can

1341
00:52:25,670 --> 00:52:24,319
uh dictate how the story is going to go

1342
00:52:28,230 --> 00:52:25,680
and the level of questioning and

1343
00:52:30,950 --> 00:52:28,240
scrutiny that's going to be involved

1344
00:52:33,349 --> 00:52:30,960
absolutely and whether elizondo 100

1345
00:52:36,069 --> 00:52:33,359
percent believes the things that he is

1346
00:52:39,190 --> 00:52:36,079
telling us and is fighting to get ufo

1347
00:52:40,870 --> 00:52:39,200
information to the public uh or whether

1348
00:52:43,510 --> 00:52:40,880
or not he doesn't believe it and he's

1349
00:52:45,430 --> 00:52:43,520
doing it for money or to further

1350
00:52:47,270 --> 00:52:45,440
government and aerospace desired

1351
00:52:49,030 --> 00:52:47,280
policies you know whatever the issue you

1352
00:52:51,510 --> 00:52:49,040
know intention doesn't really matter if

1353
00:52:52,790 --> 00:52:51,520
we can look and see that this thing has

1354
00:52:55,190 --> 00:52:52,800
happened if we can

1355
00:52:57,030 --> 00:52:55,200
actually say that he has been wrong or

1356
00:52:59,190 --> 00:52:57,040
excuse me has lied and has

1357
00:53:01,109 --> 00:52:59,200
misrepresented facts it doesn't really

1358
00:53:02,870 --> 00:53:01,119
matter what the intention behind that is

1359
00:53:05,510 --> 00:53:02,880
although i would be interested

1360
00:53:06,390 --> 00:53:05,520
to know in research that the provable

1361
00:53:09,990 --> 00:53:06,400
lie

1362
00:53:11,829 --> 00:53:10,000
is in itself enough and um as far as

1363
00:53:14,230 --> 00:53:11,839
people that have their own shows and

1364
00:53:17,670 --> 00:53:14,240
have these guests on and are having back

1365
00:53:19,190 --> 00:53:17,680
room conversations to have

1366
00:53:21,990 --> 00:53:19,200
narratives that will be perhaps

1367
00:53:24,549 --> 00:53:22,000
favorable to them uh the guest

1368
00:53:25,910 --> 00:53:24,559
uh i can't i can't say as to why people

1369
00:53:28,710 --> 00:53:25,920
would do that again it could be because

1370
00:53:31,109 --> 00:53:28,720
they fully believe and uh have faith in

1371
00:53:33,109 --> 00:53:31,119
these people and they want to

1372
00:53:34,790 --> 00:53:33,119
be part of the the change and the

1373
00:53:36,870 --> 00:53:34,800
awakening but again if you're doing

1374
00:53:37,670 --> 00:53:36,880
something that is um

1375
00:53:41,270 --> 00:53:37,680
not

1376
00:53:42,950 --> 00:53:41,280
on the up and up and fully transparent

1377
00:53:45,030 --> 00:53:42,960
and that's what you claim to be

1378
00:53:48,549 --> 00:53:45,040
across the board that's that's a problem

1379
00:53:51,030 --> 00:53:48,559
and uh louis lozando again he he claims

1380
00:53:53,270 --> 00:53:51,040
to be transparent and accountable and

1381
00:53:55,510 --> 00:53:53,280
truthful and and asks people to hold him

1382
00:53:56,470 --> 00:53:55,520
to that but yet anybody who attempts to

1383
00:53:58,309 --> 00:53:56,480
do so

1384
00:53:59,990 --> 00:53:58,319
uh is rebuffed

1385
00:54:01,670 --> 00:54:00,000
yeah they're criminals they're they're

1386
00:54:03,990 --> 00:54:01,680
you you're you're you're asking

1387
00:54:06,150 --> 00:54:04,000
questions you must be a criminal you

1388
00:54:08,309 --> 00:54:06,160
know like i i don't know and you know i

1389
00:54:10,309 --> 00:54:08,319
got to be honest in full disclosure and

1390
00:54:12,150 --> 00:54:10,319
say that i've listened to almost every

1391
00:54:14,069 --> 00:54:12,160
interview this guy gave and i always get

1392
00:54:16,230 --> 00:54:14,079
angry because

1393
00:54:18,390 --> 00:54:16,240
i listen to the interview and i listen

1394
00:54:20,390 --> 00:54:18,400
to the interviewer softball softball

1395
00:54:23,430 --> 00:54:20,400
softball you're so great lou you're done

1396
00:54:26,390 --> 00:54:23,440
so much for disclosure fanboy softball

1397
00:54:28,230 --> 00:54:26,400
fanboy softball and it pisses me off

1398
00:54:29,510 --> 00:54:28,240
because if i could get him in that in

1399
00:54:31,510 --> 00:54:29,520
that chair

1400
00:54:34,230 --> 00:54:31,520
we could learn something we could we

1401
00:54:36,549 --> 00:54:34,240
could get clarification on some things

1402
00:54:38,710 --> 00:54:36,559
and yeah i would i got a lot of

1403
00:54:41,430 --> 00:54:38,720
questions you know nobody's ever asked

1404
00:54:43,829 --> 00:54:41,440
him about guantanamo bay and by the way

1405
00:54:46,150 --> 00:54:43,839
he didn't just work at guantanamo bay he

1406
00:54:47,910 --> 00:54:46,160
worked at that section of guantanamo bay

1407
00:54:50,870 --> 00:54:47,920
that got hit with all those human rights

1408
00:54:53,030 --> 00:54:50,880
violations i think somebody should ask

1409
00:54:54,950 --> 00:54:53,040
him what did you do at guantanamo bay

1410
00:54:57,910 --> 00:54:54,960
and were you a part of all those human

1411
00:55:00,069 --> 00:54:57,920
rights violations nobody does that

1412
00:55:02,309 --> 00:55:00,079
why doesn't anybody ask him where's the

1413
00:55:04,390 --> 00:55:02,319
spaceship you and tom delong promised

1414
00:55:07,109 --> 00:55:04,400
investors you know

1415
00:55:09,270 --> 00:55:07,119
how much money did you make at ttsa

1416
00:55:12,150 --> 00:55:09,280
while the investors were getting

1417
00:55:14,390 --> 00:55:12,160
screwed out of every dime they put in

1418
00:55:16,710 --> 00:55:14,400
and and nobody asked these questions and

1419
00:55:18,309 --> 00:55:16,720
i get angry i every time i hear him

1420
00:55:20,710 --> 00:55:18,319
being interviewed

1421
00:55:23,270 --> 00:55:20,720
i get pissed off because i feel like

1422
00:55:25,430 --> 00:55:23,280
congratulations you useful idiot dummy

1423
00:55:28,309 --> 00:55:25,440
you just wasted the opportunity for us

1424
00:55:30,950 --> 00:55:28,319
to get some clarification and and hold

1425
00:55:32,829 --> 00:55:30,960
this guy accountable for his past for

1426
00:55:34,390 --> 00:55:32,839
his past claims

1427
00:55:36,470 --> 00:55:34,400
right

1428
00:55:39,270 --> 00:55:36,480
no absolutely and you know you said it

1429
00:55:41,589 --> 00:55:39,280
before he he won't go on shows that are

1430
00:55:43,589 --> 00:55:41,599
going to do that and we've seen when

1431
00:55:45,990 --> 00:55:43,599
curveballs are thrown by people like

1432
00:55:47,670 --> 00:55:46,000
rather be squidding um about his sock

1433
00:55:49,829 --> 00:55:47,680
puppets we've seen the reaction that he

1434
00:55:51,910 --> 00:55:49,839
that he gives and it's not one of

1435
00:55:53,990 --> 00:55:51,920
transparency and accountability it's

1436
00:55:55,109 --> 00:55:54,000
it's one of

1437
00:55:59,589 --> 00:55:55,119
come on

1438
00:56:02,150 --> 00:55:59,599
your mother was a hooker steve what if i

1439
00:56:03,910 --> 00:56:02,160
said your mother was a hooker would that

1440
00:56:06,230 --> 00:56:03,920
wouldn't i be allowed to use sock

1441
00:56:09,349 --> 00:56:06,240
puppets to shut you down call my mom a

1442
00:56:11,589 --> 00:56:09,359
hooker that's so this is so ridiculous

1443
00:56:14,069 --> 00:56:11,599
and the fact that a trained counter

1444
00:56:16,230 --> 00:56:14,079
intelligence officer is using fake

1445
00:56:17,270 --> 00:56:16,240
twitter accounts to argue with his

1446
00:56:19,190 --> 00:56:17,280
critics

1447
00:56:20,950 --> 00:56:19,200
it's ridiculous it's absolutely

1448
00:56:23,430 --> 00:56:20,960
ridiculous and it shows that there is

1449
00:56:26,150 --> 00:56:23,440
some attempt here at pushing a certain

1450
00:56:28,630 --> 00:56:26,160
narrative and controlling that narrative

1451
00:56:30,549 --> 00:56:28,640
to be exactly what they want it to be

1452
00:56:32,710 --> 00:56:30,559
it's perception management and this is

1453
00:56:35,030 --> 00:56:32,720
something that all intelligence officers

1454
00:56:36,549 --> 00:56:35,040
are trained in i'm sure including him

1455
00:56:38,870 --> 00:56:36,559
but for i i just think for an

1456
00:56:41,510 --> 00:56:38,880
intelligence officer he's kind of stupid

1457
00:56:43,910 --> 00:56:41,520
uh pardon my you know i just my opinion

1458
00:56:46,630 --> 00:56:43,920
because he keeps getting caught with his

1459
00:56:48,390 --> 00:56:46,640
pants down here looking like a fool and

1460
00:56:50,069 --> 00:56:48,400
and we're just supposed to forget that

1461
00:56:52,870 --> 00:56:50,079
and move on and all the all the

1462
00:56:55,589 --> 00:56:52,880
softballers don't bring it up it's crazy

1463
00:56:58,630 --> 00:56:55,599
and you're right one question i asked

1464
00:57:00,549 --> 00:56:58,640
for his tax returns through uh kurt from

1465
00:57:02,309 --> 00:57:00,559
theories of everything and he got all

1466
00:57:04,309 --> 00:57:02,319
pissed off and everybody attacked me

1467
00:57:05,990 --> 00:57:04,319
saying that wouldn't prove anything and

1468
00:57:07,510 --> 00:57:06,000
he didn't want to give his tax returns

1469
00:57:12,150 --> 00:57:07,520
though and there's a reason that he

1470
00:57:17,270 --> 00:57:14,950
abs absolutely um and again

1471
00:57:19,109 --> 00:57:17,280
the tax return is one thing but at least

1472
00:57:21,510 --> 00:57:19,119
you know to come out

1473
00:57:24,390 --> 00:57:21,520
with that sensational of a claim to

1474
00:57:26,789 --> 00:57:24,400
claim that you uh were director of the

1475
00:57:28,950 --> 00:57:26,799
pentagon's ufo investigation for 10

1476
00:57:29,910 --> 00:57:28,960
years and to not be able to evidence

1477
00:57:33,109 --> 00:57:29,920
that

1478
00:57:34,710 --> 00:57:33,119
whatsoever yet alone after five years

1479
00:57:36,950 --> 00:57:34,720
with all the other issues you know that

1480
00:57:38,309 --> 00:57:36,960
presents a problem and when you look at

1481
00:57:41,349 --> 00:57:38,319
the result

1482
00:57:43,349 --> 00:57:41,359
of and again intention and result don't

1483
00:57:45,349 --> 00:57:43,359
have to be the same thing but if you

1484
00:57:47,510 --> 00:57:45,359
look at the result of what's happened

1485
00:57:50,150 --> 00:57:47,520
since elizondo and chris mellon and

1486
00:57:53,750 --> 00:57:50,160
others uh have come and uh you know

1487
00:57:57,910 --> 00:57:53,760
promoted this this activism to to

1488
00:58:00,150 --> 00:57:57,920
further various legislative actions um

1489
00:58:01,750 --> 00:58:00,160
we haven't seen that information has

1490
00:58:03,589 --> 00:58:01,760
become more publicly available we

1491
00:58:05,510 --> 00:58:03,599
haven't seen more of a disclosure in

1492
00:58:07,190 --> 00:58:05,520
fact the information has become more

1493
00:58:09,829 --> 00:58:07,200
highly classified more highly

1494
00:58:13,349 --> 00:58:09,839
centralized and the direct result of

1495
00:58:16,069 --> 00:58:13,359
these actions is to further the desired

1496
00:58:17,589 --> 00:58:16,079
information uh collection assessment and

1497
00:58:20,069 --> 00:58:17,599
compartmentalization

1498
00:58:23,190 --> 00:58:20,079
policies desired by the intelligence

1499
00:58:27,829 --> 00:58:23,200
community and uh i don't know if

1500
00:58:30,549 --> 00:58:27,839
elizondo is furthering uh their policies

1501
00:58:32,549 --> 00:58:30,559
in that manner or if if he's unrelated

1502
00:58:33,589 --> 00:58:32,559
to that but that is the direct result

1503
00:58:36,150 --> 00:58:33,599
that we're seeing and that comes

1504
00:58:38,150 --> 00:58:36,160
directly from people that are putting in

1505
00:58:39,349 --> 00:58:38,160
the foias that are usually giving us the

1506
00:58:42,309 --> 00:58:39,359
good information you know keith

1507
00:58:44,549 --> 00:58:42,319
basterfield and marx cody and uh

1508
00:58:46,870 --> 00:58:44,559
john greenwald and and and these people

1509
00:58:49,670 --> 00:58:46,880
are telling us that the information has

1510
00:58:51,270 --> 00:58:49,680
only become harder to come by dave betty

1511
00:58:53,190 --> 00:58:51,280
yeah uh you know

1512
00:58:55,910 --> 00:58:53,200
that's getting great

1513
00:58:59,190 --> 00:58:55,920
story um you know information is not

1514
00:59:01,270 --> 00:58:59,200
becoming more disclosed it's the exact

1515
00:59:03,270 --> 00:59:01,280
opposite of that and these questions are

1516
00:59:05,829 --> 00:59:03,280
just not being addressed and again uh

1517
00:59:07,910 --> 00:59:05,839
elizondo and others will only go on to

1518
00:59:10,150 --> 00:59:07,920
interviews that will not approach these

1519
00:59:12,309 --> 00:59:10,160
things and they won't be discussed uh

1520
00:59:14,950 --> 00:59:12,319
therefore people on the whole won't know

1521
00:59:16,710 --> 00:59:14,960
them because although you know i and you

1522
00:59:19,990 --> 00:59:16,720
and a lot of other people you know will

1523
00:59:21,990 --> 00:59:20,000
listen to all of uh chris mellon or lou

1524
00:59:23,349 --> 00:59:22,000
elizondo or pretty much everybody will

1525
00:59:25,190 --> 00:59:23,359
listen to every one of their interviews

1526
00:59:28,390 --> 00:59:25,200
no matter how long or how painful they

1527
00:59:31,030 --> 00:59:28,400
are but at the same token uh

1528
00:59:32,870 --> 00:59:31,040
most people that uh believe in elizondo

1529
00:59:35,349 --> 00:59:32,880
and his message or want to further those

1530
00:59:38,069 --> 00:59:35,359
goals are not spending that amount of

1531
00:59:40,549 --> 00:59:38,079
time listening to critics or skeptics

1532
00:59:41,670 --> 00:59:40,559
and giving their points an honest uh

1533
00:59:44,630 --> 00:59:41,680
chance

1534
00:59:47,589 --> 00:59:44,640
um and you know i can relate i remember

1535
00:59:49,030 --> 00:59:47,599
um when i was a believer and i can

1536
00:59:51,430 --> 00:59:49,040
relate to the

1537
00:59:52,789 --> 00:59:51,440
uh this pitfall in my stomach that would

1538
00:59:54,789 --> 00:59:52,799
happen when i would come across somebody

1539
00:59:56,230 --> 00:59:54,799
like uh phillip class and i certainly

1540
00:59:57,270 --> 00:59:56,240
would never think that

1541
01:00:02,470 --> 00:59:57,280
yeah

1542
01:00:04,390 --> 01:00:02,480
this guy's ruining it this guy's ruining

1543
01:00:06,549 --> 01:00:04,400
it i get a lot of that and you know what

1544
01:00:08,630 --> 01:00:06,559
makes me feel good though is that i have

1545
01:00:10,789 --> 01:00:08,640
gotten a lot of emails from people that

1546
01:00:13,589 --> 01:00:10,799
go something like steve campbell when i

1547
01:00:15,910 --> 01:00:13,599
first listened to you i hate your guts

1548
01:00:17,670 --> 01:00:15,920
but now i know that you were correct in

1549
01:00:19,349 --> 01:00:17,680
in the facts and evidence that you had

1550
01:00:21,670 --> 01:00:19,359
that proved that a lot of things that i

1551
01:00:24,630 --> 01:00:21,680
believed just aren't worth believing in

1552
01:00:26,390 --> 01:00:24,640
you know so it it's like that you know

1553
01:00:28,069 --> 01:00:26,400
eventually there comes acceptance and

1554
01:00:31,349 --> 01:00:28,079
ufo john doe with a kind of generous

1555
01:00:34,230 --> 01:00:31,359
dollar 99 super chat says use me baby

1556
01:00:36,630 --> 01:00:34,240
use me like a tool my sweet baby lou

1557
01:00:38,549 --> 01:00:36,640
yeah well thank you ufo john doe we're a

1558
01:00:39,270 --> 01:00:38,559
viewer supported show you too can help

1559
01:00:41,829 --> 01:00:39,280
us

1560
01:00:44,309 --> 01:00:41,839
um praising the cash with that money

1561
01:00:48,870 --> 01:00:44,319
button really does help us uh thank you

1562
01:00:51,750 --> 01:00:50,470
where'd you guys create the guy's crazy

1563
01:00:54,069 --> 01:00:51,760
cash

1564
01:00:56,789 --> 01:00:54,079
thank you for your kindness thank you

1565
01:00:58,480 --> 01:00:56,799
for your generosity praise the cash

1566
01:01:05,030 --> 01:00:58,490
crazy cash raise the cash

1567
01:01:09,589 --> 01:01:06,789
okay thank you to

1568
01:01:11,990 --> 01:01:09,599
uh john and i also want to thank uh i

1569
01:01:14,230 --> 01:01:12,000
want to thank uh dr t for a cardinal

1570
01:01:16,150 --> 01:01:14,240
generous five dollar paypal donation and

1571
01:01:17,589 --> 01:01:16,160
allen for a kind of generous five dollar

1572
01:01:19,910 --> 01:01:17,599
paypal donation

1573
01:01:22,150 --> 01:01:19,920
and uh somebody in the live chat wanted

1574
01:01:23,190 --> 01:01:22,160
me to ask you and it's probably a good

1575
01:01:25,910 --> 01:01:23,200
question

1576
01:01:26,789 --> 01:01:25,920
we have this hearing coming up uh

1577
01:01:32,150 --> 01:01:26,799
and

1578
01:01:35,270 --> 01:01:32,160
it's it's this cycle of opium i call it

1579
01:01:36,870 --> 01:01:35,280
the cycle of hopium like the uap reports

1580
01:01:39,510 --> 01:01:36,880
coming out and we're finally gonna get

1581
01:01:41,589 --> 01:01:39,520
disclosure and then i predicted that

1582
01:01:43,270 --> 01:01:41,599
would be a nothing burger i'm predicting

1583
01:01:44,789 --> 01:01:43,280
right now that these hearings are gonna

1584
01:01:47,109 --> 01:01:44,799
be nothing burgers

1585
01:01:49,910 --> 01:01:47,119
but the the true believers think that

1586
01:01:53,190 --> 01:01:49,920
this is great and they they're crediting

1587
01:01:56,069 --> 01:01:53,200
elizondo or even lou from ucr you know

1588
01:01:58,789 --> 01:01:56,079
because he did a 24-hour stream

1589
01:02:01,430 --> 01:01:58,799
uh telling people to you know

1590
01:02:03,029 --> 01:02:01,440
uh write a letter to your congressman

1591
01:02:05,190 --> 01:02:03,039
they're they're taking this as like a

1592
01:02:07,670 --> 01:02:05,200
victory lap like see we're getting

1593
01:02:10,150 --> 01:02:07,680
hearings open hearings

1594
01:02:11,670 --> 01:02:10,160
i'm not hopeful what do you think about

1595
01:02:13,349 --> 01:02:11,680
these hearings coming up is this going

1596
01:02:16,150 --> 01:02:13,359
to be a nothing burger or is it going to

1597
01:02:18,390 --> 01:02:16,160
be something important with these

1598
01:02:20,390 --> 01:02:18,400
hearings

1599
01:02:22,950 --> 01:02:20,400
well i mean i'm

1600
01:02:26,710 --> 01:02:22,960
i'm admittedly ambivalent to the point

1601
01:02:28,150 --> 01:02:26,720
of cynical i guess about the hearings

1602
01:02:30,630 --> 01:02:28,160
i wouldn't say that they're going to be

1603
01:02:32,309 --> 01:02:30,640
a nothing burger undoubtedly um people

1604
01:02:33,910 --> 01:02:32,319
are going to say things and make

1605
01:02:36,630 --> 01:02:33,920
comments and statements and there will

1606
01:02:38,470 --> 01:02:36,640
be things to to research and i'm you

1607
01:02:40,150 --> 01:02:38,480
know excited to watch it and as somebody

1608
01:02:41,910 --> 01:02:40,160
that's been

1609
01:02:43,190 --> 01:02:41,920
in the ufos for a long time certainly

1610
01:02:45,589 --> 01:02:43,200
this is a

1611
01:02:48,710 --> 01:02:45,599
historical moment whether right or wrong

1612
01:02:50,870 --> 01:02:48,720
or what the intentions are and uh it's

1613
01:02:53,589 --> 01:02:50,880
nice to be able to be here for that but

1614
01:02:55,029 --> 01:02:53,599
yeah i guess i call it like uh managed

1615
01:02:57,349 --> 01:02:55,039
disappointment like that's what it

1616
01:03:00,150 --> 01:02:57,359
always is no matter what what the result

1617
01:03:01,990 --> 01:03:00,160
is um it's something that's um

1618
01:03:04,069 --> 01:03:02,000
beforehand and the excitement in the

1619
01:03:06,950 --> 01:03:04,079
days leading up to it uh it's called a

1620
01:03:09,910 --> 01:03:06,960
win and uh then after that there's all

1621
01:03:12,870 --> 01:03:09,920
kinds of measured uh talk about the

1622
01:03:14,549 --> 01:03:12,880
shortcomings and how it's only um a step

1623
01:03:15,430 --> 01:03:14,559
you know on the road to

1624
01:03:18,309 --> 01:03:15,440
still

1625
01:03:20,870 --> 01:03:18,319
some yet to be defined uh disclosure and

1626
01:03:24,069 --> 01:03:20,880
and people continue to uh to rally

1627
01:03:26,390 --> 01:03:24,079
behind it and um you know the

1628
01:03:27,270 --> 01:03:26,400
congressional interest

1629
01:03:29,270 --> 01:03:27,280
again

1630
01:03:31,270 --> 01:03:29,280
if we look at what's been happening and

1631
01:03:34,549 --> 01:03:31,280
the result of past

1632
01:03:36,309 --> 01:03:34,559
uh actions over the last year or two um

1633
01:03:38,710 --> 01:03:36,319
some of which the community was called

1634
01:03:40,390 --> 01:03:38,720
as a whole to call into their congress

1635
01:03:42,309 --> 01:03:40,400
and support you know the end result of

1636
01:03:44,470 --> 01:03:42,319
that is not disclosure it's the

1637
01:03:47,270 --> 01:03:44,480
tightening of information and it's just

1638
01:03:49,589 --> 01:03:47,280
furthering policies that the emperor the

1639
01:03:51,349 --> 01:03:49,599
ic you know the intelligence community

1640
01:03:52,710 --> 01:03:51,359
and the government in the military see

1641
01:03:54,470 --> 01:03:52,720
as holes that need to be plugged and

1642
01:03:55,670 --> 01:03:54,480
things that need to be fixed to further

1643
01:03:57,910 --> 01:03:55,680
all kinds of things that have to do with

1644
01:04:00,309 --> 01:03:57,920
national security and national defense

1645
01:04:02,870 --> 01:04:00,319
and literally nothing to do with ufos

1646
01:04:05,109 --> 01:04:02,880
other than things that are unidentified

1647
01:04:07,109 --> 01:04:05,119
you know this isn't a step on the path

1648
01:04:09,109 --> 01:04:07,119
to finding out what the greatest mystery

1649
01:04:11,349 --> 01:04:09,119
on earth what the answer is that's not

1650
01:04:14,150 --> 01:04:11,359
why these people are meeting tomorrow

1651
01:04:15,349 --> 01:04:14,160
and you know already uh even people who

1652
01:04:16,630 --> 01:04:15,359
are um

1653
01:04:18,470 --> 01:04:16,640
proponents

1654
01:04:20,630 --> 01:04:18,480
um

1655
01:04:22,789 --> 01:04:20,640
of what's happening uh they'll admit

1656
01:04:23,910 --> 01:04:22,799
that too and they're already um you know

1657
01:04:25,430 --> 01:04:23,920
managing

1658
01:04:29,430 --> 01:04:25,440
the disappointment that certainly will

1659
01:04:30,950 --> 01:04:29,440
come uh from these uh these hearings um

1660
01:04:32,950 --> 01:04:30,960
but they have

1661
01:04:33,990 --> 01:04:32,960
there's all kinds of things that factor

1662
01:04:35,029 --> 01:04:34,000
into

1663
01:04:36,950 --> 01:04:35,039
um

1664
01:04:38,069 --> 01:04:36,960
these hearings and things that are going

1665
01:04:39,190 --> 01:04:38,079
to happen

1666
01:04:42,069 --> 01:04:39,200
and uh

1667
01:04:45,190 --> 01:04:42,079
i shared something that that was from

1668
01:04:46,950 --> 01:04:45,200
uh the 1956 book the report on

1669
01:04:48,630 --> 01:04:46,960
uh unidentified flying objects from

1670
01:04:50,710 --> 01:04:48,640
edward rupel

1671
01:04:52,549 --> 01:04:50,720
yeah i saw that i like that i like that

1672
01:04:54,390 --> 01:04:52,559
very much i'm gonna try to find it here

1673
01:04:55,750 --> 01:04:54,400
for we'll share it yeah

1674
01:04:58,309 --> 01:04:55,760
great great

1675
01:05:01,510 --> 01:04:58,319
i love i love finding good nuggets from

1676
01:05:03,589 --> 01:05:01,520
old 50s and 60s books you know it makes

1677
01:05:04,870 --> 01:05:03,599
me happy like because because you know

1678
01:05:06,630 --> 01:05:04,880
usually when you find something from a

1679
01:05:09,430 --> 01:05:06,640
book that old

1680
01:05:10,230 --> 01:05:09,440
nobody else has seen that or or heard it

1681
01:05:11,990 --> 01:05:10,240
so

1682
01:05:14,230 --> 01:05:12,000
well actually the interesting thing was

1683
01:05:17,190 --> 01:05:14,240
this the excerpt that i shared was not

1684
01:05:19,109 --> 01:05:17,200
in the uh the published version of the

1685
01:05:21,910 --> 01:05:19,119
book but it was found

1686
01:05:24,230 --> 01:05:21,920
after notes later in his notes right in

1687
01:05:25,990 --> 01:05:24,240
the draft notes and actually robert

1688
01:05:27,349 --> 01:05:26,000
glazell did a recent article that i

1689
01:05:29,029 --> 01:05:27,359
found that in but i thought it was

1690
01:05:31,670 --> 01:05:29,039
interesting because it highlights the

1691
01:05:34,390 --> 01:05:31,680
exact problem uh that we have when we

1692
01:05:36,390 --> 01:05:34,400
talk about trying to get answers

1693
01:05:38,789 --> 01:05:36,400
information or even expecting that we

1694
01:05:40,950 --> 01:05:38,799
will from the government and from our

1695
01:05:43,270 --> 01:05:40,960
military and uh yeah you can see right

1696
01:05:46,069 --> 01:05:43,280
there essentially he said you know

1697
01:05:47,829 --> 01:05:46,079
um not so you know so long ago that

1698
01:05:50,150 --> 01:05:47,839
nobody knows why the government

1699
01:05:51,829 --> 01:05:50,160
established a policy not to comment on

1700
01:05:54,150 --> 01:05:51,839
anything that is written or said by

1701
01:05:56,230 --> 01:05:54,160
private citizens people uh can make

1702
01:05:59,270 --> 01:05:56,240
fantastic claims with a relatively high

1703
01:06:01,829 --> 01:05:59,280
degree of immunity to being exposed or

1704
01:06:03,670 --> 01:06:01,839
uh you know answered to and this policy

1705
01:06:05,670 --> 01:06:03,680
has been a bonanza

1706
01:06:08,630 --> 01:06:05,680
to writers of saucer lore and also

1707
01:06:11,109 --> 01:06:08,640
anybody that's pushing a ufo narrative

1708
01:06:13,910 --> 01:06:11,119
you know the basic concept of saucerism

1709
01:06:15,829 --> 01:06:13,920
versus the air force um is that you can

1710
01:06:17,829 --> 01:06:15,839
print or say anything as your proof of

1711
01:06:19,750 --> 01:06:17,839
honesty and dare the air force to

1712
01:06:21,829 --> 01:06:19,760
contradict you which of course they will

1713
01:06:24,230 --> 01:06:21,839
not and they will always give the most

1714
01:06:26,630 --> 01:06:24,240
limited answer with the most limited

1715
01:06:28,950 --> 01:06:26,640
amount of information and that has

1716
01:06:30,630 --> 01:06:28,960
nothing to do most likely with ufo

1717
01:06:32,789 --> 01:06:30,640
cover-ups but all kinds of things to do

1718
01:06:34,549 --> 01:06:32,799
with national security and defense and

1719
01:06:36,390 --> 01:06:34,559
the bottom line that you know what we

1720
01:06:38,710 --> 01:06:36,400
tell the general public

1721
01:06:40,870 --> 01:06:38,720
myself included taxpayers included we

1722
01:06:43,990 --> 01:06:40,880
also tell our adversaries so those

1723
01:06:44,870 --> 01:06:44,000
answers are very measured so anybody i

1724
01:06:46,950 --> 01:06:44,880
don't think

1725
01:06:48,390 --> 01:06:46,960
it would be fair to expect anything big

1726
01:06:50,470 --> 01:06:48,400
out of these hearings but more

1727
01:06:51,910 --> 01:06:50,480
particularly i think people should look

1728
01:06:54,390 --> 01:06:51,920
at exactly

1729
01:06:56,630 --> 01:06:54,400
uh who would benefit from these hearings

1730
01:06:58,630 --> 01:06:56,640
and exactly what's going to come out of

1731
01:07:00,630 --> 01:06:58,640
them and who's already been benefiting

1732
01:07:02,470 --> 01:07:00,640
from these legislative actions you know

1733
01:07:05,270 --> 01:07:02,480
we could talk about the politicians that

1734
01:07:07,349 --> 01:07:05,280
are involved um

1735
01:07:09,750 --> 01:07:07,359
possibly just for publicity and again

1736
01:07:11,910 --> 01:07:09,760
like the the congressional interest

1737
01:07:15,109 --> 01:07:11,920
itself doesn't really have to represent

1738
01:07:16,710 --> 01:07:15,119
anything other than uh writing a public

1739
01:07:20,230 --> 01:07:16,720
interest for all that it's worth you

1740
01:07:21,589 --> 01:07:20,240
know and um there's all kinds of funding

1741
01:07:24,470 --> 01:07:21,599
that will

1742
01:07:25,990 --> 01:07:24,480
possibly be made available maybe in the

1743
01:07:28,390 --> 01:07:26,000
trillions of dollars over the next

1744
01:07:30,630 --> 01:07:28,400
decade as a direct result of

1745
01:07:32,710 --> 01:07:30,640
these actions that are being implemented

1746
01:07:34,069 --> 01:07:32,720
right now there's all kinds of aerospace

1747
01:07:36,150 --> 01:07:34,079
companies and

1748
01:07:39,670 --> 01:07:36,160
all kinds of uh

1749
01:07:42,870 --> 01:07:39,680
entities that stand to gain a profit

1750
01:07:46,950 --> 01:07:42,880
from the government contracts that will

1751
01:07:49,190 --> 01:07:46,960
come from these actions um that's

1752
01:07:51,349 --> 01:07:49,200
you know just the bottom line and the

1753
01:07:54,549 --> 01:07:51,359
fact that none of that is being factored

1754
01:07:57,430 --> 01:07:54,559
into the conversation except for in in a

1755
01:08:00,789 --> 01:07:57,440
very minor way that only supports

1756
01:08:03,109 --> 01:08:00,799
uh the hope i think is is a disservice

1757
01:08:04,789 --> 01:08:03,119
to the conversation and to the reality

1758
01:08:06,549 --> 01:08:04,799
of the situation

1759
01:08:08,309 --> 01:08:06,559
you're very right ufo john doe with

1760
01:08:10,230 --> 01:08:08,319
another kind of gender star 99 super

1761
01:08:13,109 --> 01:08:10,240
chat asking me steve did you reach out

1762
01:08:15,750 --> 01:08:13,119
to ryan after the audrey podcast

1763
01:08:17,590 --> 01:08:15,760
no uh ryan threatened to sue me if i

1764
01:08:19,910 --> 01:08:17,600
didn't take that down

1765
01:08:21,990 --> 01:08:19,920
because uh well i i don't even want to

1766
01:08:25,189 --> 01:08:22,000
get into it but that guest threatened to

1767
01:08:26,630 --> 01:08:25,199
sue me if i didn't take it down and uh

1768
01:08:29,430 --> 01:08:26,640
even though i think i thought it was a

1769
01:08:31,749 --> 01:08:29,440
frivolous threat i just you know for the

1770
01:08:33,590 --> 01:08:31,759
30 cents i'm gonna make on his interview

1771
01:08:34,709 --> 01:08:33,600
on youtube i didn't feel like it was

1772
01:08:37,590 --> 01:08:34,719
worth

1773
01:08:39,349 --> 01:08:37,600
uh fighting over a possible lawsuit so i

1774
01:08:40,950 --> 01:08:39,359
took it down he's never welcome here

1775
01:08:43,590 --> 01:08:40,960
again the first time he got drunk the

1776
01:08:45,510 --> 01:08:43,600
second time he made a lot of accusations

1777
01:08:46,390 --> 01:08:45,520
uh against people with no evidence or

1778
01:08:48,070 --> 01:08:46,400
proof

1779
01:08:51,030 --> 01:08:48,080
and he didn't like the backlash from

1780
01:08:53,430 --> 01:08:51,040
that so we took that down unfortunately

1781
01:08:55,349 --> 01:08:53,440
you know these things happen

1782
01:08:56,470 --> 01:08:55,359
so the the yeah people are saying it's

1783
01:08:59,430 --> 01:08:56,480
the first

1784
01:09:01,590 --> 01:08:59,440
open hearings in you know 60 or 80 years

1785
01:09:04,550 --> 01:09:01,600
or whatever but what do we get from the

1786
01:09:05,430 --> 01:09:04,560
last hearing nothing you know like i i

1787
01:09:07,990 --> 01:09:05,440
just

1788
01:09:09,910 --> 01:09:08,000
i see this cycle of opium that's what i

1789
01:09:10,950 --> 01:09:09,920
call it where something's coming up and

1790
01:09:13,990 --> 01:09:10,960
all of the

1791
01:09:16,070 --> 01:09:14,000
all the pro this is definitely aliens

1792
01:09:17,749 --> 01:09:16,080
disclosure people start pumping it up

1793
01:09:19,430 --> 01:09:17,759
they start uh

1794
01:09:21,430 --> 01:09:19,440
making all these claims about what's

1795
01:09:23,430 --> 01:09:21,440
going to happen or what's what's going

1796
01:09:24,870 --> 01:09:23,440
to be revealed to us and endless

1797
01:09:26,470 --> 01:09:24,880
speculation

1798
01:09:28,789 --> 01:09:26,480
and and i agree with you though that

1799
01:09:31,510 --> 01:09:28,799
there may be some things that are

1800
01:09:34,709 --> 01:09:31,520
dropped that we can then investigate

1801
01:09:37,349 --> 01:09:34,719
maybe something worth investigating but

1802
01:09:38,709 --> 01:09:37,359
it seems to me that there's just a a

1803
01:09:40,950 --> 01:09:38,719
money machine and you're right about

1804
01:09:42,789 --> 01:09:40,960
that as well the military industrial

1805
01:09:44,390 --> 01:09:42,799
complex stands to gain a huge amount of

1806
01:09:46,070 --> 01:09:44,400
money because

1807
01:09:48,070 --> 01:09:46,080
if people start asking too many

1808
01:09:49,749 --> 01:09:48,080
questions about these ufos they're going

1809
01:09:51,349 --> 01:09:49,759
to have to upgrade things so they're

1810
01:09:53,189 --> 01:09:51,359
going to need better radar systems

1811
01:09:55,270 --> 01:09:53,199
better sensors they're going to

1812
01:09:56,950 --> 01:09:55,280
and there's there's a whole industry of

1813
01:09:59,350 --> 01:09:56,960
people who do that so there's funding

1814
01:10:01,270 --> 01:09:59,360
for that there's going to be funding for

1815
01:10:03,350 --> 01:10:01,280
i guess some form of investigators

1816
01:10:05,189 --> 01:10:03,360
within the pentagon

1817
01:10:06,630 --> 01:10:05,199
there's going to be funding for training

1818
01:10:08,870 --> 01:10:06,640
i suppose because now we're going to

1819
01:10:11,189 --> 01:10:08,880
have to train our pilots and other

1820
01:10:13,830 --> 01:10:11,199
military personnel to make these reports

1821
01:10:15,669 --> 01:10:13,840
as accurately as possible

1822
01:10:17,350 --> 01:10:15,679
there's there's a money there's a money

1823
01:10:19,110 --> 01:10:17,360
trade involved here

1824
01:10:21,910 --> 01:10:19,120
absolutely and i think that there's also

1825
01:10:24,229 --> 01:10:21,920
a necessity that's happened with the

1826
01:10:27,270 --> 01:10:24,239
ubiquitous rise of drones over the last

1827
01:10:29,350 --> 01:10:27,280
10 years and the threat that it's posed

1828
01:10:30,390 --> 01:10:29,360
to national security in all kinds of

1829
01:10:32,470 --> 01:10:30,400
ways

1830
01:10:33,590 --> 01:10:32,480
um

1831
01:10:38,790 --> 01:10:33,600
that

1832
01:10:40,790 --> 01:10:38,800
filled can be

1833
01:10:42,470 --> 01:10:40,800
uh evidenced and described in all kinds

1834
01:10:45,189 --> 01:10:42,480
of ways that don't have to do with

1835
01:10:48,229 --> 01:10:45,199
anything uh non-human and that the

1836
01:10:51,189 --> 01:10:48,239
government seems to to be very um

1837
01:10:52,270 --> 01:10:51,199
concerned about the fact that even uh

1838
01:10:54,790 --> 01:10:52,280
very

1839
01:10:57,910 --> 01:10:54,800
non-high-tech things that don't cost

1840
01:10:59,590 --> 01:10:57,920
very much are posing uh threats to our

1841
01:11:01,750 --> 01:10:59,600
security and the security of our bases

1842
01:11:03,590 --> 01:11:01,760
and our training grounds

1843
01:11:06,630 --> 01:11:03,600
one of them is a quadcopter you know

1844
01:11:08,950 --> 01:11:06,640
like a walmart level quadcopter is

1845
01:11:11,910 --> 01:11:08,960
suddenly a big huge problem for an

1846
01:11:13,750 --> 01:11:11,920
aircraft carrier you know i mean i i

1847
01:11:16,310 --> 01:11:13,760
have been looking into something

1848
01:11:18,390 --> 01:11:16,320
uh called drone swarms and those are

1849
01:11:21,030 --> 01:11:18,400
concerning because if you

1850
01:11:22,950 --> 01:11:21,040
if you had just a drone that had enough

1851
01:11:25,350 --> 01:11:22,960
payload capacity to take some high

1852
01:11:26,870 --> 01:11:25,360
explosives on it and you flew 300 of

1853
01:11:28,790 --> 01:11:26,880
them into a ship

1854
01:11:31,510 --> 01:11:28,800
that that could be

1855
01:11:33,750 --> 01:11:31,520
a new form of 21st century terrorist

1856
01:11:35,590 --> 01:11:33,760
threat that's certainly worth looking

1857
01:11:37,750 --> 01:11:35,600
into but the fact i'm a little bit

1858
01:11:39,270 --> 01:11:37,760
disappointed that our governments i

1859
01:11:40,870 --> 01:11:39,280
thought they had better equipment i

1860
01:11:42,229 --> 01:11:40,880
thought they had better sensors you

1861
01:11:44,790 --> 01:11:42,239
don't know when you're looking at a

1862
01:11:47,669 --> 01:11:44,800
walmart quadcopter that anybody can go

1863
01:11:49,830 --> 01:11:47,679
buy for 99 at walmart

1864
01:11:51,669 --> 01:11:49,840
that is concerning to me

1865
01:11:53,110 --> 01:11:51,679
well i think one thing and that's a

1866
01:11:55,750 --> 01:11:53,120
great point and if we think about even

1867
01:11:56,630 --> 01:11:55,760
just just drones one of the many facets

1868
01:12:00,470 --> 01:11:56,640
of

1869
01:12:04,149 --> 01:12:00,480
just drones and we think about the

1870
01:12:06,070 --> 01:12:04,159
policy um of the military uh since the

1871
01:12:07,430 --> 01:12:06,080
end of blue book and that they really

1872
01:12:10,390 --> 01:12:07,440
weren't interested in having people

1873
01:12:11,990 --> 01:12:10,400
report what they saw and the things uh

1874
01:12:14,630 --> 01:12:12,000
that were that were happening that they

1875
01:12:16,870 --> 01:12:14,640
considered to be ufos um

1876
01:12:18,790 --> 01:12:16,880
the the the military in the government

1877
01:12:21,030 --> 01:12:18,800
is now taking a 180 on that and that

1878
01:12:23,030 --> 01:12:21,040
could be explained simply by

1879
01:12:24,630 --> 01:12:23,040
the problem that drones present and the

1880
01:12:26,630 --> 01:12:24,640
fact that you know drones don't even

1881
01:12:28,870 --> 01:12:26,640
have to be carrying weapons or

1882
01:12:31,189 --> 01:12:28,880
explosives to pose a problem to the

1883
01:12:33,750 --> 01:12:31,199
security of our military there's all

1884
01:12:36,390 --> 01:12:33,760
kinds of electronic information that's

1885
01:12:39,270 --> 01:12:36,400
um that can be collected simply by

1886
01:12:42,470 --> 01:12:39,280
having you know a very cheap quadcopter

1887
01:12:43,990 --> 01:12:42,480
or drone um pinging or intercepting and

1888
01:12:46,149 --> 01:12:44,000
you know involving itself with that

1889
01:12:48,950 --> 01:12:46,159
information just uh you know

1890
01:12:51,830 --> 01:12:48,960
surveillance and cameras um it could be

1891
01:12:53,590 --> 01:12:51,840
simply to see how we respond to these

1892
01:12:55,270 --> 01:12:53,600
threats so that next time our

1893
01:12:57,270 --> 01:12:55,280
adversaries can get you know get around

1894
01:12:58,630 --> 01:12:57,280
them and if they want to address all

1895
01:13:00,870 --> 01:12:58,640
these things they certainly aren't going

1896
01:13:02,790 --> 01:13:00,880
to be able to do it by having all

1897
01:13:04,630 --> 01:13:02,800
military personnel being afraid to

1898
01:13:06,550 --> 01:13:04,640
report anything that they see and can't

1899
01:13:08,390 --> 01:13:06,560
identify because they're going to be

1900
01:13:10,790 --> 01:13:08,400
afraid to you know have negative

1901
01:13:12,709 --> 01:13:10,800
consequences from that again i think a

1902
01:13:14,790 --> 01:13:12,719
lot of the actions that are that are

1903
01:13:17,510 --> 01:13:14,800
taking place can can be explained with

1904
01:13:20,550 --> 01:13:17,520
very worldly problems and worldly

1905
01:13:22,229 --> 01:13:20,560
technologies uh they're just not um

1906
01:13:23,510 --> 01:13:22,239
allowed to enter the conversation

1907
01:13:25,430 --> 01:13:23,520
usually

1908
01:13:27,270 --> 01:13:25,440
yeah i want to thank lord ludacris platt

1909
01:13:28,950 --> 01:13:27,280
for kind and generous 4.99 super chat

1910
01:13:31,830 --> 01:13:28,960
says awesome conversation and show

1911
01:13:33,590 --> 01:13:31,840
tonight well i'm glad i could take you

1912
01:13:35,510 --> 01:13:33,600
with me there

1913
01:13:40,830 --> 01:13:35,520
uh and thank you for your kindness your

1914
01:13:54,950 --> 01:13:52,630
[Music]

1915
01:13:57,350 --> 01:13:54,960
thank you lord ludacris and all of our

1916
01:14:00,870 --> 01:13:57,360
kind and generous uh supporters of the

1917
01:14:04,790 --> 01:14:03,110
yeah so i you know i i i don't want to

1918
01:14:07,189 --> 01:14:04,800
keep you too long here and i don't know

1919
01:14:08,310 --> 01:14:07,199
what else to ask you i i would like to

1920
01:14:10,149 --> 01:14:08,320
know

1921
01:14:12,149 --> 01:14:10,159
what what are you going to be focusing

1922
01:14:14,070 --> 01:14:12,159
on because i know that you are really

1923
01:14:16,310 --> 01:14:14,080
digging deep into some stuff and the

1924
01:14:19,350 --> 01:14:16,320
history i love the history i love the

1925
01:14:22,550 --> 01:14:19,360
contact ease i got all those books you

1926
01:14:24,630 --> 01:14:22,560
know i i we're just getting i i somehow

1927
01:14:27,669 --> 01:14:24,640
got involved in this billy meyer case

1928
01:14:28,790 --> 01:14:27,679
which is an old hokey ass it's a whole

1929
01:14:30,790 --> 01:14:28,800
circus

1930
01:14:32,630 --> 01:14:30,800
and uh by the way tonight at midnight

1931
01:14:34,870 --> 01:14:32,640
i'm i'm debuting here on the true

1932
01:14:36,950 --> 01:14:34,880
seekers channel my monologue about the

1933
01:14:39,430 --> 01:14:36,960
billy meyer case and michael horn and

1934
01:14:41,430 --> 01:14:39,440
getting off that crazy train but what is

1935
01:14:42,870 --> 01:14:41,440
it that you're going to be focused on

1936
01:14:44,630 --> 01:14:42,880
looking into

1937
01:14:46,310 --> 01:14:44,640
and for those that have an interest in

1938
01:14:47,990 --> 01:14:46,320
this subject what do you think people

1939
01:14:51,590 --> 01:14:48,000
should be focused on

1940
01:14:56,470 --> 01:14:53,669
um well

1941
01:14:58,149 --> 01:14:56,480
for you know first and foremost

1942
01:15:00,550 --> 01:14:58,159
past and current events and we have a

1943
01:15:04,550 --> 01:15:00,560
very limited picture and understanding

1944
01:15:06,709 --> 01:15:04,560
and an evidenced idea of exactly um what

1945
01:15:09,430 --> 01:15:06,719
what the truth is even just to the

1946
01:15:12,390 --> 01:15:09,440
programs such as asap and all chip uh a

1947
01:15:14,390 --> 01:15:12,400
tip and um seeing what happens with

1948
01:15:16,630 --> 01:15:14,400
these new uh developments obviously

1949
01:15:19,270 --> 01:15:16,640
that's a big part of a lot of people

1950
01:15:21,110 --> 01:15:19,280
like myself that follow this like you um

1951
01:15:24,709 --> 01:15:21,120
but specifically for the future

1952
01:15:26,310 --> 01:15:24,719
for this year i'd love to there's some

1953
01:15:28,229 --> 01:15:26,320
uh what i call people who are very

1954
01:15:30,950 --> 01:15:28,239
focused on burden of proof and standard

1955
01:15:33,030 --> 01:15:30,960
of evidence um and i want to have some

1956
01:15:34,790 --> 01:15:33,040
of these people on for a conversation uh

1957
01:15:36,709 --> 01:15:34,800
maybe something on like a monthly basis

1958
01:15:39,430 --> 01:15:36,719
over the next year uh that's one thing

1959
01:15:41,270 --> 01:15:39,440
i'm starting to to line up um

1960
01:15:43,030 --> 01:15:41,280
as far as my research into stuff that

1961
01:15:44,550 --> 01:15:43,040
has to do with history obviously black

1962
01:15:48,229 --> 01:15:44,560
triangles is a big

1963
01:15:50,950 --> 01:15:48,239
um passion of mine um also jamie

1964
01:15:53,030 --> 01:15:50,960
shandera is is a kind of a

1965
01:15:55,910 --> 01:15:53,040
a figure that is like a white whale for

1966
01:15:57,990 --> 01:15:55,920
me and i've always uh the past year i've

1967
01:15:59,910 --> 01:15:58,000
kind of dilly dallied and

1968
01:16:01,669 --> 01:15:59,920
tempted the waters into looking more

1969
01:16:04,470 --> 01:16:01,679
deeply into him but there's there's some

1970
01:16:06,950 --> 01:16:04,480
uh specific figures that i want to focus

1971
01:16:07,910 --> 01:16:06,960
on and do deeper dives i think leslie

1972
01:16:09,590 --> 01:16:07,920
kane

1973
01:16:13,110 --> 01:16:09,600
uh could probably be focused on a little

1974
01:16:15,669 --> 01:16:13,120
more uh than she is and given um

1975
01:16:17,350 --> 01:16:15,679
i think more of a scrutinous uh

1976
01:16:18,310 --> 01:16:17,360
look

1977
01:16:19,270 --> 01:16:18,320
um

1978
01:16:20,310 --> 01:16:19,280
yeah

1979
01:16:22,390 --> 01:16:20,320
those are things that i'm definitely

1980
01:16:24,149 --> 01:16:22,400
thinking thinking about right now

1981
01:16:26,790 --> 01:16:24,159
i want to thank ufo john doe for his

1982
01:16:28,709 --> 01:16:26,800
kind of generous 999 super chat and i

1983
01:16:30,709 --> 01:16:28,719
will also thank moonlick for a kindly

1984
01:16:33,590 --> 01:16:30,719
generous three dollar super sticker ufo

1985
01:16:36,470 --> 01:16:33,600
john doe asking you steve long what are

1986
01:16:39,910 --> 01:16:36,480
your thoughts on the aerial phenomenon

1987
01:16:41,510 --> 01:16:39,920
oh the ariel yeah you know

1988
01:16:44,550 --> 01:16:41,520
in pastimes i would have said that this

1989
01:16:47,110 --> 01:16:44,560
is one of the strongest uh cases that

1990
01:16:49,030 --> 01:16:47,120
that i've come across um as i've dived

1991
01:16:51,229 --> 01:16:49,040
deeper into it like many cases that that

1992
01:16:54,149 --> 01:16:51,239
has changed and i've found a lot of

1993
01:16:55,910 --> 01:16:54,159
inconsistencies um that

1994
01:16:57,830 --> 01:16:55,920
that are just not again not talked about

1995
01:17:00,310 --> 01:16:57,840
when we talk about the narrative of this

1996
01:17:04,790 --> 01:17:00,320
case um there was

1997
01:17:07,189 --> 01:17:04,800
there was a rocket or um

1998
01:17:09,350 --> 01:17:07,199
there was a a russian uh

1999
01:17:11,669 --> 01:17:09,360
either satellite i believe or portion of

2000
01:17:15,030 --> 01:17:11,679
a rocket that had fallen just the day

2001
01:17:17,750 --> 01:17:15,040
before and was widely reported that

2002
01:17:20,550 --> 01:17:17,760
night and kind of kicked off um

2003
01:17:23,510 --> 01:17:20,560
a spur of ufo sightings you know in the

2004
01:17:25,750 --> 01:17:23,520
days to follow of which ariel uh the

2005
01:17:28,310 --> 01:17:25,760
school was part of um

2006
01:17:31,189 --> 01:17:28,320
you know these children were from fairly

2007
01:17:32,870 --> 01:17:31,199
affluent families um and had access to

2008
01:17:34,790 --> 01:17:32,880
all kinds of you know television and

2009
01:17:36,870 --> 01:17:34,800
media and whatnot and certainly could

2010
01:17:39,590 --> 01:17:36,880
have heard about these things they

2011
01:17:41,910 --> 01:17:39,600
had heard undoubtedly and seen movies

2012
01:17:44,149 --> 01:17:41,920
having to do with aliens and ufos but

2013
01:17:46,310 --> 01:17:44,159
more specifically when we look at the

2014
01:17:48,630 --> 01:17:46,320
events of the case most of the children

2015
01:17:50,709 --> 01:17:48,640
present did not report seeing anything

2016
01:17:53,030 --> 01:17:50,719
there that day it was a small percentage

2017
01:17:54,870 --> 01:17:53,040
of the children there and more

2018
01:17:57,189 --> 01:17:54,880
importantly um

2019
01:17:59,590 --> 01:17:57,199
you know john mack didn't just go down

2020
01:18:01,990 --> 01:17:59,600
there right away there was two months of

2021
01:18:03,750 --> 01:18:02,000
time before he got involved in the case

2022
01:18:05,830 --> 01:18:03,760
and a lot of what people are seeing was

2023
01:18:08,550 --> 01:18:05,840
filmed and in that time the kids were

2024
01:18:11,030 --> 01:18:08,560
repeatedly you know held together in

2025
01:18:13,510 --> 01:18:11,040
groups and questioned and talked about

2026
01:18:17,110 --> 01:18:13,520
the experience and made to draw pictures

2027
01:18:18,310 --> 01:18:17,120
and all kinds of things that are just um

2028
01:18:24,390 --> 01:18:18,320
not

2029
01:18:26,790 --> 01:18:24,400
avenues for pollution of the case and

2030
01:18:28,950 --> 01:18:26,800
this case is just uh right with those

2031
01:18:31,110 --> 01:18:28,960
things um

2032
01:18:32,950 --> 01:18:31,120
the the just the descriptions of even

2033
01:18:34,310 --> 01:18:32,960
what happened the craft how many people

2034
01:18:36,390 --> 01:18:34,320
were there what they look like i mean

2035
01:18:39,110 --> 01:18:36,400
these things run the gamut none of them

2036
01:18:42,390 --> 01:18:39,120
are uh it's not like they're all similar

2037
01:18:44,229 --> 01:18:42,400
um and again i think that probably uh

2038
01:18:46,550 --> 01:18:44,239
now i would imagine that a lot of people

2039
01:18:47,750 --> 01:18:46,560
that experienced that um do believe that

2040
01:18:49,750 --> 01:18:47,760
it happened and i don't think that all

2041
01:18:52,070 --> 01:18:49,760
these people are lying to us but i think

2042
01:18:52,870 --> 01:18:52,080
that there is something to be said for

2043
01:18:55,110 --> 01:18:52,880
the

2044
01:18:58,070 --> 01:18:55,120
uh excitement that immediately built

2045
01:19:00,870 --> 01:18:58,080
around the case and um certainly i think

2046
01:19:03,270 --> 01:19:00,880
even young children recognize that um

2047
01:19:05,750 --> 01:19:03,280
hey if i didn't see anything i have no

2048
01:19:07,669 --> 01:19:05,760
part of this but if i did see something

2049
01:19:09,750 --> 01:19:07,679
i'm part of something special and and

2050
01:19:11,110 --> 01:19:09,760
i'm getting attention and that's again

2051
01:19:12,550 --> 01:19:11,120
never there's all kinds of things that i

2052
01:19:15,270 --> 01:19:12,560
think with this case are never addressed

2053
01:19:19,669 --> 01:19:15,280
and i don't know what the truth is um

2054
01:19:22,950 --> 01:19:20,470
oh

2055
01:19:24,149 --> 01:19:22,960
i think you froze there

2056
01:19:26,149 --> 01:19:24,159
uh-oh

2057
01:19:28,470 --> 01:19:26,159
one second let me see if we could pop

2058
01:19:31,270 --> 01:19:28,480
them out and pop them back

2059
01:19:34,229 --> 01:19:31,280
we might have just lost our guests here

2060
01:19:35,510 --> 01:19:34,239
yeah the ariel is an interesting case

2061
01:19:37,270 --> 01:19:35,520
for sure

2062
01:19:39,030 --> 01:19:37,280
um

2063
01:19:42,709 --> 01:19:39,040
i have been interested in that for a

2064
01:19:44,390 --> 01:19:42,719
while and and intrigued by the fact that

2065
01:19:46,550 --> 01:19:44,400
well let's pop them out of here until we

2066
01:19:48,709 --> 01:19:46,560
see if we can reconnect

2067
01:19:52,709 --> 01:19:48,719
i have been interested and intrigued by

2068
01:19:58,950 --> 01:19:55,270
since many of those children have been

2069
01:20:04,630 --> 01:20:01,750
re-interviewed years later and as adults

2070
01:20:05,990 --> 01:20:04,640
they stand by their story

2071
01:20:06,870 --> 01:20:06,000
uh

2072
01:20:09,990 --> 01:20:06,880
oh

2073
01:20:11,750 --> 01:20:10,000
there we go we got your back

2074
01:20:13,270 --> 01:20:11,760
sorry about that my my computer battery

2075
01:20:15,590 --> 01:20:13,280
just died

2076
01:20:18,870 --> 01:20:15,600
oh that'll do it yeah well what we're

2077
01:20:20,390 --> 01:20:18,880
going to wrap things up uh i i suppose i

2078
01:20:22,070 --> 01:20:20,400
do appreciate you doing this and i hope

2079
01:20:23,910 --> 01:20:22,080
you won't be a stranger we're going to

2080
01:20:25,430 --> 01:20:23,920
be doing a panel show which i'd like to

2081
01:20:27,189 --> 01:20:25,440
invite you to and i could talk to you

2082
01:20:29,510 --> 01:20:27,199
about off air

2083
01:20:32,070 --> 01:20:29,520
but in so far as the aerial case then

2084
01:20:34,950 --> 01:20:32,080
did you know that john mack was there a

2085
01:20:37,430 --> 01:20:34,960
few weeks i think before that event

2086
01:20:40,149 --> 01:20:37,440
for some kind of ufo conference and i

2087
01:20:41,750 --> 01:20:40,159
think that maybe some of the children

2088
01:20:44,830 --> 01:20:41,760
might have been on media that there was

2089
01:20:47,750 --> 01:20:44,840
this big ufo conference there or near

2090
01:20:49,350 --> 01:20:47,760
there you know i've always been suspect

2091
01:20:51,350 --> 01:20:49,360
of the fact that you're right it's only

2092
01:20:52,790 --> 01:20:51,360
a few of the children out of 100 or

2093
01:20:54,950 --> 01:20:52,800
whatever that were in the playground

2094
01:20:56,550 --> 01:20:54,960
that saw these things why didn't

2095
01:20:58,830 --> 01:20:56,560
everybody see it

2096
01:21:01,830 --> 01:20:58,840
which doesn't make sense to

2097
01:21:04,550 --> 01:21:01,840
me yeah no i did not know that um about

2098
01:21:06,550 --> 01:21:04,560
mac possibly being in the area before uh

2099
01:21:08,149 --> 01:21:06,560
weeks before i did not know that but

2100
01:21:10,470 --> 01:21:08,159
certainly i think that this case is

2101
01:21:12,390 --> 01:21:10,480
often misrepresented in all kinds of

2102
01:21:14,149 --> 01:21:12,400
ways including that this happened you

2103
01:21:16,790 --> 01:21:14,159
know in africa amongst people that

2104
01:21:18,950 --> 01:21:16,800
didn't have access to any type of media

2105
01:21:21,430 --> 01:21:18,960
or modern uh culture having to do with

2106
01:21:24,550 --> 01:21:21,440
ufos and um

2107
01:21:26,149 --> 01:21:24,560
again uh charlie wiser i i see can i see

2108
01:21:29,030 --> 01:21:26,159
she's here tonight but she's done a lot

2109
01:21:30,149 --> 01:21:29,040
of great work um i think absolutely

2110
01:21:32,390 --> 01:21:30,159
yeah

2111
01:21:34,390 --> 01:21:32,400
but there's um all kinds of reasons i

2112
01:21:36,390 --> 01:21:34,400
think for valid skepticism and again

2113
01:21:38,950 --> 01:21:36,400
none of this is to say that people are

2114
01:21:41,669 --> 01:21:38,960
outright lying and even me i i had a

2115
01:21:44,070 --> 01:21:41,679
sighting that i you know now talk about

2116
01:21:46,470 --> 01:21:44,080
but um i have to include in the

2117
01:21:49,030 --> 01:21:46,480
possibilities um the things that are

2118
01:21:50,950 --> 01:21:49,040
probable i have to include that that

2119
01:21:53,750 --> 01:21:50,960
sighting didn't happen that i missed

2120
01:21:55,990 --> 01:21:53,760
from you know surely no matter how well

2121
01:21:58,229 --> 01:21:56,000
i've tried to remember that event i am

2122
01:22:00,070 --> 01:21:58,239
misremembering things that happened so i

2123
01:22:01,910 --> 01:22:00,080
can understand why people would have

2124
01:22:04,310 --> 01:22:01,920
disparate uh

2125
01:22:05,990 --> 01:22:04,320
testimony as to what happened but also

2126
01:22:07,430 --> 01:22:06,000
you know it's quite possible that that

2127
01:22:08,950 --> 01:22:07,440
never happened that i'm remembering

2128
01:22:10,870 --> 01:22:08,960
something that's imagined i don't i

2129
01:22:13,910 --> 01:22:10,880
don't think that's the case but to be

2130
01:22:16,470 --> 01:22:13,920
fair and to be diligent i have to allow

2131
01:22:17,430 --> 01:22:16,480
that that is a possibility and again

2132
01:22:20,229 --> 01:22:17,440
it's just

2133
01:22:23,350 --> 01:22:20,239
everything's talked about very um

2134
01:22:25,189 --> 01:22:23,360
black or white and without nuance and

2135
01:22:28,629 --> 01:22:25,199
it doesn't service

2136
01:22:31,669 --> 01:22:28,639
uh truth or progress when that happens

2137
01:22:33,830 --> 01:22:31,679
yeah absolutely so i'm sure that some

2138
01:22:35,669 --> 01:22:33,840
people may want to uh

2139
01:22:37,430 --> 01:22:35,679
catch up with you

2140
01:22:40,550 --> 01:22:37,440
can you tell our viewers how they could

2141
01:22:42,709 --> 01:22:40,560
contact you or follow more of your uh

2142
01:22:44,870 --> 01:22:42,719
more of your journey

2143
01:22:47,350 --> 01:22:44,880
i know you're on twitter as

2144
01:22:49,430 --> 01:22:47,360
it's at uap or

2145
01:22:54,629 --> 01:22:49,440
i'm sorry one second i don't want to

2146
01:22:58,470 --> 01:22:56,310
on twitter is there anywhere else that

2147
01:23:00,229 --> 01:22:58,480
people can find you or i i think that

2148
01:23:03,350 --> 01:23:00,239
mar our chat room mods

2149
01:23:05,030 --> 01:23:03,360
shared a playlist of of you i think

2150
01:23:06,550 --> 01:23:05,040
doing interviews different interviews i

2151
01:23:09,030 --> 01:23:06,560
know you just did one with

2152
01:23:10,950 --> 01:23:09,040
louis cayetano right

2153
01:23:13,430 --> 01:23:10,960
yes correct i just did uh did one with

2154
01:23:15,669 --> 01:23:13,440
louis and uh i've also done uh strange

2155
01:23:17,189 --> 01:23:15,679
recon and uh erica luke's was nice

2156
01:23:19,830 --> 01:23:17,199
enough to bring me onto her show that's

2157
01:23:21,669 --> 01:23:19,840
what first got oh yeah i like erica

2158
01:23:23,669 --> 01:23:21,679
she's one of the good guys one of the

2159
01:23:24,950 --> 01:23:23,679
few good guys left so i'm glad you

2160
01:23:27,110 --> 01:23:24,960
hooked up with her

2161
01:23:29,590 --> 01:23:27,120
no i have a lot of respect for erica and

2162
01:23:31,750 --> 01:23:29,600
for the fact that she uh is willing to

2163
01:23:33,669 --> 01:23:31,760
to lay bare uh her vulnerabilities and

2164
01:23:35,990 --> 01:23:33,679
the fact that you know we're not always

2165
01:23:38,070 --> 01:23:36,000
right about this subject and uh i've

2166
01:23:39,990 --> 01:23:38,080
been wrong and i'll certainly be wrong

2167
01:23:42,310 --> 01:23:40,000
again and that's why it's so important

2168
01:23:44,310 --> 01:23:42,320
to hold everything to a burden of proof

2169
01:23:45,830 --> 01:23:44,320
uh and not just on belief or what you

2170
01:23:47,750 --> 01:23:45,840
feel is correct

2171
01:23:48,950 --> 01:23:47,760
um but if people want to reach me yeah

2172
01:23:52,310 --> 01:23:48,960
they can get uh they can find me on

2173
01:23:56,870 --> 01:23:52,320
twitter at uap or sap uh or they can

2174
01:23:58,390 --> 01:23:56,880
email me um at uap or sap at gmail uh

2175
01:24:00,390 --> 01:23:58,400
and they can also find my my youtube

2176
01:24:01,510 --> 01:24:00,400
channel through my twitter um but yeah

2177
01:24:02,950 --> 01:24:01,520
thanks thanks again for having me

2178
01:24:05,030 --> 01:24:02,960
tonight yeah and i'm sorry i'm a

2179
01:24:06,709 --> 01:24:05,040
terrible show host but after the show i

2180
01:24:09,350 --> 01:24:06,719
will get your youtube channel and it

2181
01:24:12,229 --> 01:24:09,360
will be in the description of this video

2182
01:24:15,189 --> 01:24:12,239
so that people can go subscribe and and

2183
01:24:17,189 --> 01:24:15,199
find you more easily on youtube but i i

2184
01:24:18,709 --> 01:24:17,199
really appreciate you doing this

2185
01:24:20,229 --> 01:24:18,719
uh you're gonna have to come back and

2186
01:24:23,030 --> 01:24:20,239
we're gonna have to find things that we

2187
01:24:24,310 --> 01:24:23,040
disagree on a hundred percent because

2188
01:24:27,270 --> 01:24:24,320
you and i are

2189
01:24:29,510 --> 01:24:27,280
really maybe too close on the same page

2190
01:24:31,510 --> 01:24:29,520
with many of these things but i'd like

2191
01:24:33,910 --> 01:24:31,520
to see what we disagree on that would be

2192
01:24:36,390 --> 01:24:33,920
an interesting talk as well

2193
01:24:38,070 --> 01:24:36,400
sure steve anytime i'd be honored to

2194
01:24:39,910 --> 01:24:38,080
okay well i'm going to throw you on out

2195
01:24:42,950 --> 01:24:39,920
of here thank you very much for your

2196
01:24:45,030 --> 01:24:42,960
participation i'd really appreciate it

2197
01:24:46,870 --> 01:24:45,040
all right friends so there we go if

2198
01:24:49,189 --> 01:24:46,880
you're just joining us i had to explain

2199
01:24:53,350 --> 01:24:49,199
i had to take the backdrop down because

2200
01:24:56,550 --> 01:24:53,360
it's 120 degrees in here uh

2201
01:24:58,390 --> 01:24:56,560
we're moving to a new streaming uh setup

2202
01:25:01,590 --> 01:24:58,400
within my household here

2203
01:25:02,790 --> 01:25:01,600
unfortunately for me um

2204
01:25:04,870 --> 01:25:02,800
i thought it was going to take a couple

2205
01:25:07,510 --> 01:25:04,880
of days to clear all the junk out of the

2206
01:25:08,550 --> 01:25:07,520
room that i'll be moving to

2207
01:25:12,229 --> 01:25:08,560
but

2208
01:25:14,470 --> 01:25:12,239
that didn't work out uh there is kid

2209
01:25:16,390 --> 01:25:14,480
toys there's these big ride on toys

2210
01:25:19,590 --> 01:25:16,400
they're gonna find a place to put

2211
01:25:23,669 --> 01:25:19,600
um but and and also

2212
01:25:26,310 --> 01:25:23,679
i am a hoarder of parts okay i i

2213
01:25:28,950 --> 01:25:26,320
i am addicted to i can't throw out a

2214
01:25:32,870 --> 01:25:28,960
computer part you know video card from

2215
01:25:36,310 --> 01:25:32,880
1992 i might need that someday you know

2216
01:25:38,790 --> 01:25:36,320
uh power adapter from something broken i

2217
01:25:40,950 --> 01:25:38,800
might need that there is boxes my wife

2218
01:25:43,110 --> 01:25:40,960
hates this about me but there's

2219
01:25:45,189 --> 01:25:43,120
when we moved i threw them all in there

2220
01:25:46,950 --> 01:25:45,199
this is boxes and boxes full of little

2221
01:25:49,110 --> 01:25:46,960
computer parts and

2222
01:25:52,310 --> 01:25:49,120
um i don't know what all is in there

2223
01:25:55,189 --> 01:25:52,320
wires cables all kinds of parts there's

2224
01:25:55,910 --> 01:25:55,199
electronics parts there's robot parts

2225
01:26:00,709 --> 01:25:55,920
and

2226
01:26:02,310 --> 01:26:00,719
all of this stuff or

2227
01:26:04,229 --> 01:26:02,320
i just gotta start throwing it out by

2228
01:26:06,310 --> 01:26:04,239
the box because i haven't needed any of

2229
01:26:09,189 --> 01:26:06,320
that stuff in the three years we have

2230
01:26:11,910 --> 01:26:09,199
lived here probably don't need it yeah

2231
01:26:15,030 --> 01:26:11,920
matthew ryan says still got a 1200 modem

2232
01:26:16,390 --> 01:26:15,040
i found a box in there matthew riot with

2233
01:26:18,390 --> 01:26:16,400
you get this

2234
01:26:21,590 --> 01:26:18,400
i don't know why i still have it

2235
01:26:25,910 --> 01:26:21,600
but i've got three 300 baud modems a

2236
01:26:28,070 --> 01:26:25,920
bunch of 1200 and 2400 and about 5 57.6

2237
01:26:30,470 --> 01:26:28,080
modems all in a box

2238
01:26:33,110 --> 01:26:30,480
just in case i ever need a modem again

2239
01:26:34,629 --> 01:26:33,120
someday matthew riot right i'm never

2240
01:26:36,629 --> 01:26:34,639
going to need this stuff

2241
01:26:38,550 --> 01:26:36,639
in order to get the new streaming setup

2242
01:26:41,110 --> 01:26:38,560
done i'm really just gonna have to start

2243
01:26:44,070 --> 01:26:41,120
just throw this [\h__\h] out i don't need it

2244
01:26:45,830 --> 01:26:44,080
right uh now there are some things in

2245
01:26:48,950 --> 01:26:45,840
there though like

2246
01:26:51,590 --> 01:26:48,960
matthew right i have old like um

2247
01:26:53,750 --> 01:26:51,600
i have some old voice synthesis chips

2248
01:26:56,390 --> 01:26:53,760
you know like for robot voices those are

2249
01:26:59,910 --> 01:26:56,400
worth some money those old 80s

2250
01:27:01,910 --> 01:26:59,920
you know uh voice synthesis chips and uh

2251
01:27:05,430 --> 01:27:01,920
i've got a bunch of weird old parts

2252
01:27:07,990 --> 01:27:05,440
those i'll be keeping uh if not

2253
01:27:10,550 --> 01:27:08,000
for the nostalgia i got a box full of

2254
01:27:13,350 --> 01:27:10,560
486 parts what am i ever going to need a

2255
01:27:16,070 --> 01:27:13,360
box of 46 parts i don't know my point is

2256
01:27:17,750 --> 01:27:16,080
that i have uh some

2257
01:27:19,910 --> 01:27:17,760
maybe that's what it is with me it's

2258
01:27:21,990 --> 01:27:19,920
like someday i may need that what if i

2259
01:27:23,669 --> 01:27:22,000
want to build a vintage pc to play old

2260
01:27:24,709 --> 01:27:23,679
games on i'm going to need those parts

2261
01:27:25,990 --> 01:27:24,719
right

2262
01:27:30,870 --> 01:27:26,000
um

2263
01:27:37,590 --> 01:27:34,790
joe kay here's what i've been doing

2264
01:27:39,990 --> 01:27:37,600
patreon is a dollar or more a month

2265
01:27:42,149 --> 01:27:40,000
and you get all of the patreon benefits

2266
01:27:44,550 --> 01:27:42,159
the becoming a member here on youtube

2267
01:27:46,390 --> 01:27:44,560
gets you certain other perks and that's

2268
01:27:48,550 --> 01:27:46,400
five dollars but what i'm telling people

2269
01:27:51,030 --> 01:27:48,560
is if you become a member here on

2270
01:27:54,229 --> 01:27:51,040
youtube just email me

2271
01:27:56,149 --> 01:27:54,239
at truthseekershow gmail.com and i will

2272
01:27:57,830 --> 01:27:56,159
send you the patreon benefits every

2273
01:27:59,990 --> 01:27:57,840
month as well that's what we're trying

2274
01:28:02,550 --> 01:28:00,000
to do for all the members of getting an

2275
01:28:04,390 --> 01:28:02,560
email list together so in other words

2276
01:28:05,830 --> 01:28:04,400
if you're not on patreon and you become

2277
01:28:07,990 --> 01:28:05,840
a member here for five dollars you don't

2278
01:28:09,910 --> 01:28:08,000
need to do both either become a patreon

2279
01:28:11,669 --> 01:28:09,920
member or become a member here for the

2280
01:28:12,950 --> 01:28:11,679
five dollars you get a little more when

2281
01:28:14,870 --> 01:28:12,960
you become a member because if you

2282
01:28:17,910 --> 01:28:14,880
become a member here you get these

2283
01:28:19,910 --> 01:28:17,920
additional youtube perks and priority

2284
01:28:21,830 --> 01:28:19,920
this and you get a badge that says

2285
01:28:23,669 --> 01:28:21,840
you're a member and we recognize people

2286
01:28:25,270 --> 01:28:23,679
and take those questions or comments

2287
01:28:27,910 --> 01:28:25,280
first

2288
01:28:30,390 --> 01:28:27,920
and also you get the patreon benefits so

2289
01:28:32,070 --> 01:28:30,400
we're putting together this email list

2290
01:28:35,750 --> 01:28:32,080
and in other words

2291
01:28:37,270 --> 01:28:35,760
every time i post a video or anything to

2292
01:28:39,830 --> 01:28:37,280
patreon a song

2293
01:28:42,629 --> 01:28:39,840
i'm going to send that link out onto the

2294
01:28:45,350 --> 01:28:42,639
member's email list as well

2295
01:28:48,149 --> 01:28:45,360
so you get the patreon benefits with

2296
01:28:49,189 --> 01:28:48,159
your youtube membership

2297
01:28:52,310 --> 01:28:49,199
and

2298
01:28:55,430 --> 01:28:52,320
this month i'm going to

2299
01:28:57,830 --> 01:28:55,440
do a patreon only stream the last day of

2300
01:28:59,430 --> 01:28:57,840
the month going forward from now on

2301
01:29:02,790 --> 01:28:59,440
the last day of the month we're going to

2302
01:29:05,110 --> 01:29:02,800
do a patreon only stream

2303
01:29:06,629 --> 01:29:05,120
but i always feel terrible about putting

2304
01:29:09,189 --> 01:29:06,639
anything behind a paywall even though

2305
01:29:11,750 --> 01:29:09,199
it's only a dollar a month so the normal

2306
01:29:13,990 --> 01:29:11,760
rules apply and that is if you're having

2307
01:29:15,590 --> 01:29:14,000
a tough time i haven't given this speech

2308
01:29:16,950 --> 01:29:15,600
in a while but listen if you really like

2309
01:29:18,470 --> 01:29:16,960
the show here and you're having a tough

2310
01:29:20,709 --> 01:29:18,480
time and you can't afford the patreon or

2311
01:29:23,430 --> 01:29:20,719
the membership or send us any money

2312
01:29:25,830 --> 01:29:23,440
relax um there's other ways that you

2313
01:29:27,350 --> 01:29:25,840
could help us for the show here besides

2314
01:29:29,110 --> 01:29:27,360
throwing a couple of bucks in our hat so

2315
01:29:30,870 --> 01:29:29,120
if you're if you're experiencing a tough

2316
01:29:32,870 --> 01:29:30,880
time don't have the money but you'd

2317
01:29:35,110 --> 01:29:32,880
really like those benefits just email me

2318
01:29:37,270 --> 01:29:35,120
at truthseekershow.gmail.com

2319
01:29:39,430 --> 01:29:37,280
i keep a list of people that are just

2320
01:29:41,510 --> 01:29:39,440
fans of the show and and maybe don't

2321
01:29:42,470 --> 01:29:41,520
have a buck or two or whatever don't

2322
01:29:44,310 --> 01:29:42,480
tell me

2323
01:29:47,189 --> 01:29:44,320
you know the specifics just send me an

2324
01:29:49,510 --> 01:29:47,199
email and write in there you know uh i'd

2325
01:29:51,430 --> 01:29:49,520
like the patreon benefits having a tough

2326
01:29:53,750 --> 01:29:51,440
time or something like that

2327
01:29:55,750 --> 01:29:53,760
and i would be happy to afford those

2328
01:29:57,430 --> 01:29:55,760
along we don't really want to put things

2329
01:29:58,790 --> 01:29:57,440
behind a paywall here

2330
01:30:00,149 --> 01:29:58,800
uh even though it's only a dollar for

2331
01:30:01,910 --> 01:30:00,159
the patreon it's five dollars for the

2332
01:30:04,390 --> 01:30:01,920
membership but you know this keeps the

2333
01:30:05,669 --> 01:30:04,400
show going it pays the show bills

2334
01:30:08,229 --> 01:30:05,679
um

2335
01:30:10,070 --> 01:30:08,239
and and it keeps me uh

2336
01:30:12,390 --> 01:30:10,080
pushing forward with this thing so it

2337
01:30:14,550 --> 01:30:12,400
really does help but like i said i don't

2338
01:30:15,750 --> 01:30:14,560
want a couple of dollars to come between

2339
01:30:17,350 --> 01:30:15,760
you and those

2340
01:30:19,910 --> 01:30:17,360
extras we just do

2341
01:30:23,350 --> 01:30:19,920
patreon and the members just get some

2342
01:30:24,709 --> 01:30:23,360
extra content extra goodies uh like i

2343
01:30:28,310 --> 01:30:24,719
said if you're having a rough time just

2344
01:30:30,790 --> 01:30:28,320
email me at truthseekersgmail.com

2345
01:30:32,430 --> 01:30:30,800
truthseeker show i'm sorry let me put

2346
01:30:33,750 --> 01:30:32,440
that up here

2347
01:30:35,830 --> 01:30:33,760
truthseekershow.gmail.com if you're

2348
01:30:37,189 --> 01:30:35,840
having a tough time don't let a couple

2349
01:30:38,870 --> 01:30:37,199
of dollars get between you and those

2350
01:30:40,550 --> 01:30:38,880
extra goodies there's other ways you

2351
01:30:42,709 --> 01:30:40,560
could support the show

2352
01:30:44,390 --> 01:30:42,719
which is what i always say which is that

2353
01:30:46,950 --> 01:30:44,400
you could like

2354
01:30:48,790 --> 01:30:46,960
comment subscribe and share

2355
01:30:51,189 --> 01:30:48,800
these videos and if you're listening in

2356
01:30:52,470 --> 01:30:51,199
audio podcast land we appreciate you and

2357
01:30:54,070 --> 01:30:52,480
we're glad you're there but you're

2358
01:30:55,590 --> 01:30:54,080
missing half the fun

2359
01:30:57,590 --> 01:30:55,600
if you're listening in audio podcast

2360
01:30:59,830 --> 01:30:57,600
land you're missing the live shows and

2361
01:31:03,270 --> 01:30:59,840
the audience interaction so go on over

2362
01:31:04,070 --> 01:31:03,280
to youtube put truthseekers one word in

2363
01:31:12,310 --> 01:31:04,080
the

2364
01:31:14,470 --> 01:31:12,320
subscribe button hit that notification

2365
01:31:16,629 --> 01:31:14,480
bell and you too can come here and be a

2366
01:31:18,550 --> 01:31:16,639
part of our live tapings all of the

2367
01:31:21,270 --> 01:31:18,560
podcasts are recorded live here on

2368
01:31:23,110 --> 01:31:21,280
youtube facebook live and twitter and we

2369
01:31:23,910 --> 01:31:23,120
welcome you to be a part of that

2370
01:31:27,030 --> 01:31:23,920
um

2371
01:31:28,390 --> 01:31:27,040
i love the audience interaction it's not

2372
01:31:30,470 --> 01:31:28,400
just uh

2373
01:31:32,310 --> 01:31:30,480
a live show here

2374
01:31:34,790 --> 01:31:32,320
and and i should say don't just listen

2375
01:31:36,709 --> 01:31:34,800
to the show don't just watch the show

2376
01:31:39,189 --> 01:31:36,719
come here come in the live chat we have

2377
01:31:44,310 --> 01:31:39,199
a lot of interesting people

2378
01:31:47,030 --> 01:31:45,350
there we go

2379
01:31:48,870 --> 01:31:47,040
we have a lot of interesting people here

2380
01:31:51,910 --> 01:31:48,880
and you would probably enjoy the live

2381
01:31:57,270 --> 01:31:51,920
chats also going forward uh we have a

2382
01:32:03,430 --> 01:32:00,950
a viewer today asked me why can't you do

2383
01:32:05,590 --> 01:32:03,440
discord chats after every live show

2384
01:32:07,669 --> 01:32:05,600
certainly i'm willing to do that so

2385
01:32:10,229 --> 01:32:07,679
after every live show go on over to our

2386
01:32:12,390 --> 01:32:10,239
discord and we can continue the

2387
01:32:15,110 --> 01:32:12,400
conversation there

2388
01:32:17,430 --> 01:32:15,120
there you go thank you ufo john doe with

2389
01:32:19,110 --> 01:32:17,440
kind and generous 999 super chat very

2390
01:32:21,430 --> 01:32:19,120
generous folks out there all around the

2391
01:32:28,170 --> 01:32:21,440
world helping us to

2392
01:32:36,229 --> 01:32:33,990
[Music]

2393
01:32:38,070 --> 01:32:36,239
and thank you so ufo john doe just threw

2394
01:32:40,470 --> 01:32:38,080
in 10 bucks that covers 10 of you people

2395
01:32:42,310 --> 01:32:40,480
that are having a tough time more than

2396
01:32:43,830 --> 01:32:42,320
and and i don't need him to do that but

2397
01:32:46,470 --> 01:32:43,840
i appreciate that he would do that for

2398
01:32:49,270 --> 01:32:46,480
those listen since this

2399
01:32:51,990 --> 01:32:49,280
it's rough out there friends we had a

2400
01:32:54,470 --> 01:32:52,000
two-year global pandemic people got

2401
01:32:56,790 --> 01:32:54,480
locked down lost their jobs lost their

2402
01:32:58,709 --> 01:32:56,800
but me i lost my business

2403
01:33:00,229 --> 01:32:58,719
more or less i'm slowly trying to

2404
01:33:01,270 --> 01:33:00,239
rebuild it now

2405
01:33:05,030 --> 01:33:01,280
um

2406
01:33:06,070 --> 01:33:05,040
i just it cost me 57 to fill my gas tank

2407
01:33:08,629 --> 01:33:06,080
today

2408
01:33:11,590 --> 01:33:08,639
and i have a four-cylinder car

2409
01:33:13,990 --> 01:33:11,600
you know 57 to fill my gas tank now

2410
01:33:15,030 --> 01:33:14,000
granted i was already but still

2411
01:33:17,270 --> 01:33:15,040
um

2412
01:33:19,110 --> 01:33:17,280
everything is costing twice as much as

2413
01:33:21,270 --> 01:33:19,120
it did before the pandemic and we're all

2414
01:33:22,629 --> 01:33:21,280
supposed to still make ends meet so i

2415
01:33:25,669 --> 01:33:22,639
realize that a lot of people are having

2416
01:33:28,550 --> 01:33:25,679
a tough time we recognize that and uh we

2417
01:33:29,910 --> 01:33:28,560
want you to be a part of the show and uh

2418
01:33:31,350 --> 01:33:29,920
get those extra goodies if you're having

2419
01:33:34,149 --> 01:33:31,360
a tough time it's not a big deal just

2420
01:33:36,070 --> 01:33:34,159
email me at trueseeker show and

2421
01:33:38,310 --> 01:33:36,080
we'll include you in the email where we

2422
01:33:40,229 --> 01:33:38,320
send those benefits out

2423
01:33:42,390 --> 01:33:40,239
it's not always about money like i said

2424
01:33:44,629 --> 01:33:42,400
a great way to help us is to send some

2425
01:33:47,669 --> 01:33:44,639
of these videos to your friends that you

2426
01:33:48,830 --> 01:33:47,679
think may uh be interested in this

2427
01:33:50,390 --> 01:33:48,840
right

2428
01:33:52,310 --> 01:33:50,400
uh

2429
01:33:53,510 --> 01:33:52,320
let's see also

2430
01:33:55,830 --> 01:33:53,520
oh i got

2431
01:33:57,750 --> 01:33:55,840
i did not hear this

2432
01:33:59,830 --> 01:33:57,760
matthew right if you ran the background

2433
01:34:03,510 --> 01:33:59,840
on green street you probably ran one on

2434
01:34:06,790 --> 01:34:03,520
stephen cambium but you're here now so

2435
01:34:09,350 --> 01:34:06,800
uh yeah i matthew riot uh talk to me off

2436
01:34:10,550 --> 01:34:09,360
air if you indeed did this background

2437
01:34:12,390 --> 01:34:10,560
check or

2438
01:34:15,030 --> 01:34:12,400
maybe can shed some light on that

2439
01:34:16,070 --> 01:34:15,040
situation i'd be interested in hearing

2440
01:34:18,870 --> 01:34:16,080
about it

2441
01:34:20,629 --> 01:34:18,880
i for one uh can tell you

2442
01:34:24,470 --> 01:34:20,639
and i should you know i got to keep

2443
01:34:29,189 --> 01:34:27,350
i am not a criminal i've i haven't been

2444
01:34:30,629 --> 01:34:29,199
convicted of any criminal offense in my

2445
01:34:32,709 --> 01:34:30,639
life

2446
01:34:34,310 --> 01:34:32,719
um you know it kind of stayed out of

2447
01:34:37,189 --> 01:34:34,320
trouble right

2448
01:34:39,350 --> 01:34:37,199
um now like anybody i've got some dirt

2449
01:34:41,270 --> 01:34:39,360
in my past everybody does

2450
01:34:44,070 --> 01:34:41,280
um and people have tried to twist

2451
01:34:46,229 --> 01:34:44,080
something that happened to me

2452
01:34:47,350 --> 01:34:46,239
you know 10 years ago and to make me the

2453
01:34:48,709 --> 01:34:47,360
bad guy

2454
01:34:50,149 --> 01:34:48,719
you know these people that want to

2455
01:34:52,550 --> 01:34:50,159
discredit you they're going to find

2456
01:34:54,070 --> 01:34:52,560
something if it if it's not criminal you

2457
01:34:55,990 --> 01:34:54,080
know maybe they'll dig up an old

2458
01:34:59,109 --> 01:34:56,000
girlfriend that that'll say you were

2459
01:35:02,390 --> 01:34:59,119
abusive to her or whatever we see this

2460
01:35:05,109 --> 01:35:02,400
sort of cancel culture is out the wazoo

2461
01:35:07,030 --> 01:35:05,119
now it's easy to discredit people

2462
01:35:08,310 --> 01:35:07,040
it's easy to discredit people and it's

2463
01:35:11,430 --> 01:35:08,320
easy to

2464
01:35:13,030 --> 01:35:11,440
turn people against people right

2465
01:35:15,109 --> 01:35:13,040
scott hernandez with a kind of generous

2466
01:35:17,109 --> 01:35:15,119
dollar 99 super sticker

2467
01:35:19,030 --> 01:35:17,119
uh we thank you for your kindness your

2468
01:35:21,590 --> 01:35:19,040
generosity and your support and for

2469
01:35:23,669 --> 01:35:21,600
helping us to praise the cash

2470
01:35:25,669 --> 01:35:23,679
we thank all of our kind and generous

2471
01:35:27,750 --> 01:35:25,679
patreon supporters all you paypal

2472
01:35:29,750 --> 01:35:27,760
donators you people sending money

2473
01:35:31,830 --> 01:35:29,760
through cash app instructions to do all

2474
01:35:34,629 --> 01:35:31,840
that are in the description of the video

2475
01:35:41,350 --> 01:35:34,639
uh we certainly appreciate your help in

2476
01:35:44,629 --> 01:35:43,510
we haven't used the cash cap clown in a

2477
01:35:46,149 --> 01:35:44,639
while

2478
01:35:48,790 --> 01:35:46,159
i have some new

2479
01:35:51,109 --> 01:35:48,800
scott i've done some new uh videos of

2480
01:35:53,189 --> 01:35:51,119
him but we i haven't edit i have to fix

2481
01:35:55,590 --> 01:35:53,199
them and get them all together

2482
01:35:57,750 --> 01:35:55,600
and edit them before we'll have some new

2483
01:36:00,709 --> 01:35:57,760
ones and i know some of you prefer

2484
01:36:04,149 --> 01:36:00,719
trixie but hey we we gotta change things

2485
01:36:07,830 --> 01:36:06,149
yeah i agree with b baker seems like

2486
01:36:09,270 --> 01:36:07,840
going on a fishing expedition with

2487
01:36:11,189 --> 01:36:09,280
background checks the ethics are

2488
01:36:12,390 --> 01:36:11,199
bothersome

2489
01:36:14,550 --> 01:36:12,400
and also

2490
01:36:17,109 --> 01:36:14,560
i just want to give a word of caution to

2491
01:36:18,629 --> 01:36:17,119
everybody that is you know saying well

2492
01:36:19,750 --> 01:36:18,639
pay one of these background check

2493
01:36:21,669 --> 01:36:19,760
companies

2494
01:36:24,149 --> 01:36:21,679
the information from background check

2495
01:36:26,470 --> 01:36:24,159
companies is often terrible they

2496
01:36:29,669 --> 01:36:26,480
conflate different people into one

2497
01:36:32,229 --> 01:36:29,679
report i got burnt myself

2498
01:36:33,590 --> 01:36:32,239
uh in a situation where you know i

2499
01:36:35,510 --> 01:36:33,600
thought somebody had all these criminal

2500
01:36:37,350 --> 01:36:35,520
convictions it turns out it wasn't him

2501
01:36:39,669 --> 01:36:37,360
but a same name

2502
01:36:41,510 --> 01:36:39,679
somebody with the same name as him

2503
01:36:42,550 --> 01:36:41,520
you gotta check the birth dates you

2504
01:36:43,669 --> 01:36:42,560
gotta check

2505
01:36:46,149 --> 01:36:43,679
you know

2506
01:36:49,270 --> 01:36:46,159
it's very problematic

2507
01:36:51,270 --> 01:36:49,280
for somebody to for example pay forty

2508
01:36:53,189 --> 01:36:51,280
dollars for a background check on

2509
01:36:55,510 --> 01:36:53,199
somebody and then run on the internet

2510
01:36:58,709 --> 01:36:55,520
and say see that guy's a criminal what i

2511
01:37:00,709 --> 01:36:58,719
would caution anybody is if you do that

2512
01:37:03,109 --> 01:37:00,719
background check their forty or fifty

2513
01:37:04,550 --> 01:37:03,119
dollars on the internet you gotta find

2514
01:37:06,550 --> 01:37:04,560
more sources so once you get the

2515
01:37:09,590 --> 01:37:06,560
background check if it says somebody is

2516
01:37:12,229 --> 01:37:09,600
a criminal you better call the court

2517
01:37:13,990 --> 01:37:12,239
uh that that criminal case was resolved

2518
01:37:16,629 --> 01:37:14,000
in and verify

2519
01:37:19,109 --> 01:37:16,639
that person's name date of birth

2520
01:37:20,870 --> 01:37:19,119
whatever you can to make sure that that

2521
01:37:21,910 --> 01:37:20,880
information in the background check is

2522
01:37:23,910 --> 01:37:21,920
accurate

2523
01:37:27,270 --> 01:37:23,920
i'm not supporting or defending

2524
01:37:29,030 --> 01:37:27,280
anybody's past criminal activity however

2525
01:37:29,990 --> 01:37:29,040
i just want to caution everybody that

2526
01:37:31,189 --> 01:37:30,000
those

2527
01:37:33,030 --> 01:37:31,199
pay

2528
01:37:36,149 --> 01:37:33,040
paid background checks there's tons of

2529
01:37:38,229 --> 01:37:36,159
them on the internet go look up you know

2530
01:37:42,070 --> 01:37:38,239
background check

2531
01:37:44,790 --> 01:37:42,080
you'll find hundreds of companies that

2532
01:37:47,109 --> 01:37:44,800
will give you a report on somebody

2533
01:37:48,709 --> 01:37:47,119
and i used some of those i thought the

2534
01:37:50,950 --> 01:37:48,719
one i was using was reputable but it

2535
01:37:52,709 --> 01:37:50,960
turns out that they conflate two

2536
01:37:54,070 --> 01:37:52,719
different people into one report and

2537
01:37:56,310 --> 01:37:54,080
you're looking at this thinking that

2538
01:37:58,070 --> 01:37:56,320
this person is the scum of the earth but

2539
01:37:59,590 --> 01:37:58,080
it turns out it was somebody with a name

2540
01:38:01,030 --> 01:37:59,600
similar to him that's the scum of the

2541
01:38:02,950 --> 01:38:01,040
earth not him

2542
01:38:04,950 --> 01:38:02,960
so you just have to be careful and

2543
01:38:07,510 --> 01:38:04,960
especially when you're gonna

2544
01:38:13,109 --> 01:38:07,520
call some you know reveal information

2545
01:38:17,430 --> 01:38:14,830
yeah matthew

2546
01:38:19,109 --> 01:38:17,440
uh good point someone claiming a dude

2547
01:38:20,629 --> 01:38:19,119
who has been a mormon most of his life

2548
01:38:22,470 --> 01:38:20,639
is a criminal it seems to be the

2549
01:38:23,510 --> 01:38:22,480
quickest route to prove or disprove that

2550
01:38:25,109 --> 01:38:23,520
statement

2551
01:38:27,030 --> 01:38:25,119
well just because somebody's religious

2552
01:38:28,950 --> 01:38:27,040
doesn't mean that they're not a criminal

2553
01:38:32,310 --> 01:38:28,960
you know i grew up catholic i knew a lot

2554
01:38:34,149 --> 01:38:32,320
of catholics that ended up in prison but

2555
01:38:35,750 --> 01:38:34,159
uh you're right it's something doesn't

2556
01:38:37,030 --> 01:38:35,760
seem right about this entire thing

2557
01:38:38,870 --> 01:38:37,040
matthew riot

2558
01:38:40,149 --> 01:38:38,880
uh and by the way long time no see

2559
01:38:41,270 --> 01:38:40,159
matthew wright good to see you in the

2560
01:38:42,149 --> 01:38:41,280
live chat

2561
01:38:43,830 --> 01:38:42,159
um

2562
01:38:45,910 --> 01:38:43,840
he hasn't been here a long time but he

2563
01:38:47,830 --> 01:38:45,920
liked the guest tonight so i guess i did

2564
01:38:51,350 --> 01:38:47,840
something right tonight we got matt we

2565
01:38:53,750 --> 01:38:51,360
got matthew riot back in the live chat

2566
01:38:55,270 --> 01:38:53,760
mark d truthseeker says we run checks

2567
01:38:56,950 --> 01:38:55,280
for truckers and it's pretty damn

2568
01:38:58,870 --> 01:38:56,960
accurate but relies on us collecting

2569
01:39:00,470 --> 01:38:58,880
identifications and permissions yeah

2570
01:39:03,030 --> 01:39:00,480
well it's different if you've got

2571
01:39:05,590 --> 01:39:03,040
somebody's social security number marked

2572
01:39:07,590 --> 01:39:05,600
the truth seeker then you're sure that

2573
01:39:09,430 --> 01:39:07,600
the information you can check that like

2574
01:39:11,270 --> 01:39:09,440
is this the guy social

2575
01:39:13,270 --> 01:39:11,280
but these background check companies

2576
01:39:15,830 --> 01:39:13,280
don't include a social usually you have

2577
01:39:19,189 --> 01:39:15,840
to rely on name address and date of

2578
01:39:22,950 --> 01:39:21,350
uh kate schneider says i remember cubies

2579
01:39:25,030 --> 01:39:22,960
were using those sites to pull up fake

2580
01:39:26,390 --> 01:39:25,040
or expressed arrest records on

2581
01:39:28,310 --> 01:39:26,400
celebrities yeah

2582
01:39:29,910 --> 01:39:28,320
that was a whole big thing and they

2583
01:39:31,750 --> 01:39:29,920
would go on they would go on a live

2584
01:39:35,510 --> 01:39:31,760
stream kate schneider like sherlock

2585
01:39:37,910 --> 01:39:35,520
holmes like i got the dirt on uh

2586
01:39:40,390 --> 01:39:37,920
tom hanks and it was some guy in

2587
01:39:43,109 --> 01:39:40,400
oklahoma named tom hanks not the actual

2588
01:39:44,950 --> 01:39:43,119
famous tom hanks that was a pedophile or

2589
01:39:46,390 --> 01:39:44,960
something it's just

2590
01:39:49,350 --> 01:39:46,400
i just am

2591
01:39:51,109 --> 01:39:49,360
you know look and the other thing is

2592
01:39:53,750 --> 01:39:51,119
i would not want to wrongly accuse

2593
01:39:56,470 --> 01:39:53,760
somebody of being a criminal so for me

2594
01:39:58,629 --> 01:39:56,480
i'm going to be very cautious if

2595
01:40:00,390 --> 01:39:58,639
about anything like that going forward i

2596
01:40:03,350 --> 01:40:00,400
mean and the other thing is is it

2597
01:40:06,229 --> 01:40:03,360
relevant you know for example

2598
01:40:08,870 --> 01:40:06,239
um if somebody pled guilty to a fraud

2599
01:40:10,950 --> 01:40:08,880
related offense and then they're selling

2600
01:40:12,629 --> 01:40:10,960
fake information i think it's relevant

2601
01:40:14,870 --> 01:40:12,639
to talk about that they're selling fake

2602
01:40:17,030 --> 01:40:14,880
stories they're selling fake alien

2603
01:40:20,550 --> 01:40:17,040
information that's not true

2604
01:40:22,390 --> 01:40:20,560
and they have pled guilty to a fraud in

2605
01:40:24,229 --> 01:40:22,400
their criminal past

2606
01:40:25,189 --> 01:40:24,239
then i think it's relevant

2607
01:40:27,830 --> 01:40:25,199
but

2608
01:40:30,229 --> 01:40:27,840
just because somebody asks inconvenient

2609
01:40:32,229 --> 01:40:30,239
questions to lou elizondo

2610
01:40:34,870 --> 01:40:32,239
maybe some people who are asking

2611
01:40:36,709 --> 01:40:34,880
questions had some kind of you know

2612
01:40:38,550 --> 01:40:36,719
problem with uh

2613
01:40:40,149 --> 01:40:38,560
an arrest in their past it doesn't

2614
01:40:42,550 --> 01:40:40,159
automatically

2615
01:40:45,430 --> 01:40:42,560
i guess i i would take each situation on

2616
01:40:48,709 --> 01:40:45,440
a case-by-case basis right

2617
01:40:50,950 --> 01:40:48,719
but to go throwing around terms like

2618
01:40:53,830 --> 01:40:50,960
wife beater

2619
01:40:57,030 --> 01:40:53,840
when it's not you know i would never do

2620
01:40:59,750 --> 01:40:57,040
what this uh lou from ucr did in fact i

2621
01:41:02,470 --> 01:40:59,760
think he handled it extremely poorly if

2622
01:41:04,870 --> 01:41:02,480
an anonymous person came to me or not

2623
01:41:06,870 --> 01:41:04,880
anonymous let's say if any of you a show

2624
01:41:09,350 --> 01:41:06,880
viewer came to me

2625
01:41:11,109 --> 01:41:09,360
and i was having a guest um you know

2626
01:41:12,870 --> 01:41:11,119
we'll just use goofon for example if

2627
01:41:14,149 --> 01:41:12,880
goofon was coming here and one of my

2628
01:41:16,470 --> 01:41:14,159
viewers said

2629
01:41:19,189 --> 01:41:16,480
ask him if he beats women or was

2630
01:41:21,590 --> 01:41:19,199
arrested for beating women

2631
01:41:23,669 --> 01:41:21,600
i would first of all i would say

2632
01:41:25,590 --> 01:41:23,679
do you have i would ask that person do

2633
01:41:27,189 --> 01:41:25,600
you have evidence that this is true i'm

2634
01:41:29,030 --> 01:41:27,199
not just going to ask because even

2635
01:41:32,229 --> 01:41:29,040
asking that question

2636
01:41:34,070 --> 01:41:32,239
is throwing shade on that person what i

2637
01:41:37,590 --> 01:41:34,080
would have done in this situation with

2638
01:41:39,669 --> 01:41:37,600
that lou from ucr was in is he knew that

2639
01:41:41,350 --> 01:41:39,679
that was a question people wanted asked

2640
01:41:43,189 --> 01:41:41,360
before his interview

2641
01:41:45,270 --> 01:41:43,199
i would have done the background check

2642
01:41:48,390 --> 01:41:45,280
and checked with the courts and if i had

2643
01:41:49,430 --> 01:41:48,400
found a conviction for that then i would

2644
01:41:52,310 --> 01:41:49,440
ask him

2645
01:41:54,070 --> 01:41:52,320
but i wouldn't just ask a random guest

2646
01:41:55,830 --> 01:41:54,080
if they beat women that was

2647
01:41:58,229 --> 01:41:55,840
cringe-worthy

2648
01:42:00,550 --> 01:41:58,239
in his defense i have to be fair to this

2649
01:42:03,350 --> 01:42:00,560
lou from ucr

2650
01:42:05,510 --> 01:42:03,360
he's not a journalist and neither am i

2651
01:42:08,709 --> 01:42:05,520
i'm very fortunate though and that i do

2652
01:42:09,669 --> 01:42:08,719
happen to know a few real journalists

2653
01:42:11,270 --> 01:42:09,679
so

2654
01:42:13,430 --> 01:42:11,280
if i'm not sure how to handle a

2655
01:42:15,109 --> 01:42:13,440
situation like that i could pick up the

2656
01:42:16,870 --> 01:42:15,119
phone and ask

2657
01:42:19,830 --> 01:42:16,880
at least two different people that are

2658
01:42:22,310 --> 01:42:19,840
real writers in newspapers real

2659
01:42:24,550 --> 01:42:22,320
journalists like how what's the proper

2660
01:42:26,870 --> 01:42:24,560
or the ethical way to handle this

2661
01:42:30,229 --> 01:42:26,880
situation i don't want to not ask the

2662
01:42:32,070 --> 01:42:30,239
questions that my viewers want asked but

2663
01:42:33,430 --> 01:42:32,080
when you get into wife beating and

2664
01:42:35,270 --> 01:42:33,440
criminality

2665
01:42:37,189 --> 01:42:35,280
i think that's a big

2666
01:42:39,030 --> 01:42:37,199
it's a big you know

2667
01:42:41,350 --> 01:42:39,040
it's it's a can of worms that you

2668
01:42:43,669 --> 01:42:41,360
shouldn't open unless you have to

2669
01:42:46,709 --> 01:42:43,679
lou from ucr could have just as easily

2670
01:42:48,229 --> 01:42:46,719
went did some research and found out if

2671
01:42:48,950 --> 01:42:48,239
there's any proof

2672
01:42:50,870 --> 01:42:48,960
to

2673
01:42:53,430 --> 01:42:50,880
these claims that people have made about

2674
01:42:54,950 --> 01:42:53,440
that person before asking the question

2675
01:42:57,270 --> 01:42:54,960
and i think

2676
01:42:59,430 --> 01:42:57,280
had he done his due diligence and done

2677
01:43:01,590 --> 01:42:59,440
the work

2678
01:43:03,270 --> 01:43:01,600
and then asked a question because there

2679
01:43:05,350 --> 01:43:03,280
was something there

2680
01:43:08,709 --> 01:43:05,360
in his past okay

2681
01:43:10,870 --> 01:43:08,719
but to just ask a guy if he beats women

2682
01:43:13,030 --> 01:43:10,880
and what is the evidence he may have

2683
01:43:14,229 --> 01:43:13,040
posted something sometime

2684
01:43:16,470 --> 01:43:14,239
years ago

2685
01:43:18,709 --> 01:43:16,480
saying something like if a woman

2686
01:43:20,470 --> 01:43:18,719
be you know punched me i would be i

2687
01:43:22,149 --> 01:43:20,480
would punch her back

2688
01:43:23,990 --> 01:43:22,159
that doesn't mean the guy's a wife

2689
01:43:26,470 --> 01:43:24,000
beater a criminal conviction for

2690
01:43:27,910 --> 01:43:26,480
domestic assault means he's probably a

2691
01:43:29,270 --> 01:43:27,920
wife you know

2692
01:43:32,229 --> 01:43:29,280
this whole

2693
01:43:34,629 --> 01:43:32,239
situation is ridiculous and again

2694
01:43:37,510 --> 01:43:34,639
i'm trying to be fair to this lou from

2695
01:43:39,030 --> 01:43:37,520
ucr but what i will say is that guy does

2696
01:43:42,229 --> 01:43:39,040
nothing but talk

2697
01:43:45,590 --> 01:43:42,239
could say whatever they want oh he did

2698
01:43:48,790 --> 01:43:45,600
that big phone home he's he's a champion

2699
01:43:51,270 --> 01:43:48,800
of disclosure [\h__\h] [\h__\h] for a

2700
01:43:54,709 --> 01:43:51,280
few years now that guy has sat there and

2701
01:43:58,390 --> 01:43:54,719
talked he does no research he does no

2702
01:44:00,950 --> 01:43:58,400
investigatory work he has not broken a

2703
01:44:02,950 --> 01:44:00,960
single story

2704
01:44:05,030 --> 01:44:02,960
since doing his show

2705
01:44:07,830 --> 01:44:05,040
and i'm not trying to toot my own horn

2706
01:44:10,870 --> 01:44:07,840
here but you can see that i have a

2707
01:44:12,750 --> 01:44:10,880
pattern of breaking new information of

2708
01:44:14,870 --> 01:44:12,760
bringing people you know of

2709
01:44:17,189 --> 01:44:14,880
investigating something and then

2710
01:44:19,430 --> 01:44:17,199
reporting on what i found through my

2711
01:44:21,350 --> 01:44:19,440
investigation and again not to throw

2712
01:44:23,590 --> 01:44:21,360
shade on this guy but he does nothing

2713
01:44:26,709 --> 01:44:23,600
but sit there and talk

2714
01:44:29,109 --> 01:44:26,719
talk's not gonna help you know how long

2715
01:44:30,790 --> 01:44:29,119
how many hours of this guy talking and

2716
01:44:33,669 --> 01:44:30,800
not doing anything

2717
01:44:34,390 --> 01:44:33,679
is an audience gonna withstand

2718
01:44:40,950 --> 01:44:34,400
and

2719
01:44:43,030 --> 01:44:40,960
public he put out a public freaking

2720
01:44:45,109 --> 01:44:43,040
he put one of his private messages

2721
01:44:46,390 --> 01:44:45,119
between him and lou elizondo out there

2722
01:44:48,790 --> 01:44:46,400
on twitter

2723
01:44:51,350 --> 01:44:48,800
that talks about the felon five and then

2724
01:44:53,750 --> 01:44:51,360
my name is mentioned at the end as being

2725
01:44:56,070 --> 01:44:53,760
nuts or something but people are

2726
01:44:58,629 --> 01:44:56,080
conflating these things who's the felon

2727
01:45:00,229 --> 01:44:58,639
five steve campions mentioned there he

2728
01:45:03,590 --> 01:45:00,239
must be a criminal

2729
01:45:05,910 --> 01:45:03,600
so thanks lou you dumb [\h__\h] because

2730
01:45:08,310 --> 01:45:05,920
i've had to answer people telling them

2731
01:45:10,070 --> 01:45:08,320
i'm not a criminal all week long because

2732
01:45:12,550 --> 01:45:10,080
you did that you could have adapted that

2733
01:45:14,950 --> 01:45:12,560
you could have blocked out my name

2734
01:45:16,629 --> 01:45:14,960
if i wasn't the one of the felon five

2735
01:45:19,590 --> 01:45:16,639
and that's another thing where's the

2736
01:45:22,310 --> 01:45:19,600
list show us the list lou of who lou

2737
01:45:24,310 --> 01:45:22,320
elizondo is passing around this list

2738
01:45:26,310 --> 01:45:24,320
these guys are all felons they're

2739
01:45:27,430 --> 01:45:26,320
criminals and wife beaters

2740
01:45:29,910 --> 01:45:27,440
don't

2741
01:45:31,910 --> 01:45:29,920
not release that list and then put my

2742
01:45:34,390 --> 01:45:31,920
name and check my name into it because

2743
01:45:36,550 --> 01:45:34,400
now i'm an [\h__\h] criminal in some

2744
01:45:39,350 --> 01:45:36,560
people's eyes thanks to you

2745
01:45:41,430 --> 01:45:39,360
and granted i have a lot of detractors i

2746
01:45:42,709 --> 01:45:41,440
got a lot of haters so when they see

2747
01:45:44,870 --> 01:45:42,719
something like that they're going to

2748
01:45:47,990 --> 01:45:44,880
jump to a conclusion yeah like oh we

2749
01:45:49,990 --> 01:45:48,000
knew steve campbell was was a bad person

2750
01:45:52,629 --> 01:45:50,000
now we know he's a criminal that's one

2751
01:45:55,109 --> 01:45:52,639
of the emails i got i knew

2752
01:45:57,270 --> 01:45:55,119
you were a bad person steve campion i

2753
01:45:59,350 --> 01:45:57,280
knew you were a piece of [\h__\h] and now i

2754
01:46:00,310 --> 01:45:59,360
know that you're a criminal thanks to

2755
01:46:02,390 --> 01:46:00,320
lou

2756
01:46:04,870 --> 01:46:02,400
jimenez whatever his name is from

2757
01:46:07,910 --> 01:46:04,880
unidentified ass licking or i'm sorry

2758
01:46:09,990 --> 01:46:07,920
unidentified celebrity ass liquor show

2759
01:46:16,870 --> 01:46:10,000
thanks thanks that was really great of

2760
01:46:20,790 --> 01:46:19,109
yeah and somebody says thanks matthew

2761
01:46:22,790 --> 01:46:20,800
for not running checks without consent

2762
01:46:24,870 --> 01:46:22,800
and help make them public

2763
01:46:26,790 --> 01:46:24,880
this is a complicated issue

2764
01:46:30,310 --> 01:46:26,800
but uh

2765
01:46:32,229 --> 01:46:30,320
i i what i say is that if it's if

2766
01:46:34,229 --> 01:46:32,239
somebody's criminal history is relevant

2767
01:46:36,070 --> 01:46:34,239
to the story sure

2768
01:46:38,629 --> 01:46:36,080
but just because somebody's asking

2769
01:46:41,430 --> 01:46:38,639
questions that some people don't like

2770
01:46:44,070 --> 01:46:41,440
you know if they did their time and they

2771
01:46:47,030 --> 01:46:44,080
and they you know reformed

2772
01:46:49,030 --> 01:46:47,040
you know i know of uh i know of at least

2773
01:46:50,390 --> 01:46:49,040
one person in the ufo community that a

2774
01:46:52,229 --> 01:46:50,400
long time ago

2775
01:46:53,590 --> 01:46:52,239
got in some trouble right and i don't

2776
01:46:55,910 --> 01:46:53,600
even remember what he got charged with

2777
01:46:57,750 --> 01:46:55,920
but the point is he's a convicted felon

2778
01:47:00,629 --> 01:46:57,760
not one of the people that lou and lou

2779
01:47:02,709 --> 01:47:00,639
were talking about but still

2780
01:47:05,030 --> 01:47:02,719
since that criminal conviction that

2781
01:47:07,990 --> 01:47:05,040
person went to college

2782
01:47:09,590 --> 01:47:08,000
right late you know went to college got

2783
01:47:12,709 --> 01:47:09,600
a degree

2784
01:47:15,510 --> 01:47:12,719
started a business started a family has

2785
01:47:18,709 --> 01:47:15,520
three children is an excellent business

2786
01:47:20,390 --> 01:47:18,719
person he's an excellent researcher he's

2787
01:47:23,830 --> 01:47:20,400
an excellent

2788
01:47:25,990 --> 01:47:23,840
father and provider for his family

2789
01:47:28,310 --> 01:47:26,000
whatever he did in his past to me he

2790
01:47:31,030 --> 01:47:28,320
paid he paid the price and it's not

2791
01:47:33,910 --> 01:47:31,040
relevant to to use that against him and

2792
01:47:35,590 --> 01:47:33,920
try to discredit him it's kind of shitty

2793
01:47:38,229 --> 01:47:35,600
right what about all the good things

2794
01:47:40,470 --> 01:47:38,239
good father good provider good husband

2795
01:47:43,430 --> 01:47:40,480
good business person right what about

2796
01:47:45,910 --> 01:47:43,440
all that that do we just do we just you

2797
01:47:47,590 --> 01:47:45,920
know paint with this broad brush okay

2798
01:47:50,310 --> 01:47:47,600
you're a convicted fellow you're a piece

2799
01:47:52,709 --> 01:47:50,320
of [\h__\h] i don't think so but i'm a

2800
01:47:54,149 --> 01:47:52,719
second chance person the problem that i

2801
01:47:55,830 --> 01:47:54,159
have though is

2802
01:47:57,270 --> 01:47:55,840
some people want two and three you know

2803
01:47:59,510 --> 01:47:57,280
if you if you

2804
01:48:01,669 --> 01:47:59,520
offend it and then you offend it again

2805
01:48:03,430 --> 01:48:01,679
and then you know like let's say you got

2806
01:48:04,629 --> 01:48:03,440
arrested for a felony a couple years

2807
01:48:05,830 --> 01:48:04,639
later you get arrested for another

2808
01:48:07,830 --> 01:48:05,840
felony couple years later you get

2809
01:48:09,990 --> 01:48:07,840
arrested for another felony you didn't

2810
01:48:12,229 --> 01:48:10,000
learn your lesson but some people get in

2811
01:48:14,390 --> 01:48:12,239
trouble they learn their lesson this is

2812
01:48:15,830 --> 01:48:14,400
not a good thing that i did i'm gonna

2813
01:48:17,350 --> 01:48:15,840
have to pay for this

2814
01:48:19,830 --> 01:48:17,360
you know there's gonna be consequences

2815
01:48:21,510 --> 01:48:19,840
here but i've learned from my mistake

2816
01:48:23,669 --> 01:48:21,520
and

2817
01:48:25,990 --> 01:48:23,679
you know

2818
01:48:31,430 --> 01:48:26,000
i've moved on from it i think that we

2819
01:48:34,310 --> 01:48:33,030
i don't know what's going on in the live

2820
01:48:36,229 --> 01:48:34,320
chat

2821
01:48:40,390 --> 01:48:36,239
we're having a somebody's having a

2822
01:48:45,669 --> 01:48:42,550
i can count several times you're making

2823
01:48:47,990 --> 01:48:45,679
super incorrect claims about stephen

2824
01:48:54,550 --> 01:48:48,000
are you talking to me

2825
01:49:01,430 --> 01:48:56,629
yeah so

2826
01:49:05,350 --> 01:49:03,270
and listen it's okay to disagree in the

2827
01:49:12,550 --> 01:49:05,360
live chat but let's try to remain civil

2828
01:49:16,870 --> 01:49:15,270
ufo john doe says oprah jiff you're a

2829
01:49:19,589 --> 01:49:16,880
felon and you're a felon and you're a

2830
01:49:22,229 --> 01:49:19,599
felon yeah and isn't it a coincidence

2831
01:49:23,589 --> 01:49:22,239
isn't it a coincidence that all of lou

2832
01:49:26,149 --> 01:49:23,599
elizondo's

2833
01:49:28,070 --> 01:49:26,159
critics or detractors or people asking

2834
01:49:32,229 --> 01:49:28,080
him hard questions are suddenly

2835
01:49:34,229 --> 01:49:32,239
criminals right i i i don't know

2836
01:49:36,550 --> 01:49:34,239
i i don't know i think it's a little

2837
01:49:38,950 --> 01:49:36,560
more than a coincidence that suddenly

2838
01:49:40,550 --> 01:49:38,960
there's this broad brush and all of

2839
01:49:42,950 --> 01:49:40,560
louis elizondo's critics are being

2840
01:49:43,750 --> 01:49:42,960
painted as criminals and wife beaters

2841
01:49:45,109 --> 01:49:43,760
right

2842
01:49:48,470 --> 01:49:45,119
i'm surprised they didn't pull out the

2843
01:49:53,830 --> 01:49:50,870
you know or nazi you're a nazi you're a

2844
01:49:54,830 --> 01:49:53,840
pedophile with no uh

2845
01:49:59,270 --> 01:49:54,840
with

2846
01:50:01,270 --> 01:49:59,280
no proof or evidence you know

2847
01:50:03,990 --> 01:50:01,280
so this is where we're at and this is

2848
01:50:05,910 --> 01:50:04,000
where we find ourselves i am going to

2849
01:50:08,229 --> 01:50:05,920
bounce on out of here friends it's been

2850
01:50:11,109 --> 01:50:08,239
a long day for me i again i apologize

2851
01:50:12,950 --> 01:50:11,119
for this wonky setup but

2852
01:50:15,830 --> 01:50:12,960
i have to have this window open or i'll

2853
01:50:18,709 --> 01:50:15,840
die in here it's about probably 90 or

2854
01:50:20,709 --> 01:50:18,719
more 95 degrees in here right now

2855
01:50:22,950 --> 01:50:20,719
i anticipate having the new streaming

2856
01:50:24,709 --> 01:50:22,960
setup sometime next week in the meantime

2857
01:50:27,030 --> 01:50:24,719
we're just gonna roll with the punches i

2858
01:50:28,629 --> 01:50:27,040
didn't wanna i almost did just take off

2859
01:50:30,870 --> 01:50:28,639
like i'm just not gonna do a live show

2860
01:50:32,470 --> 01:50:30,880
until i get this new setup done but i

2861
01:50:34,149 --> 01:50:32,480
remembered that i had this interview

2862
01:50:36,070 --> 01:50:34,159
pre-scheduled i didn't want to cancel

2863
01:50:37,910 --> 01:50:36,080
we're just gonna roll with the punches

2864
01:50:40,390 --> 01:50:37,920
i'm gonna do a show for my yard if i

2865
01:50:42,229 --> 01:50:40,400
have to you know i got a fire pit it'll

2866
01:50:43,910 --> 01:50:42,239
be nice we'll have a fireside chat

2867
01:50:45,589 --> 01:50:43,920
whatever i have to do for the next week

2868
01:50:48,470 --> 01:50:45,599
or so until the new

2869
01:50:50,390 --> 01:50:48,480
studio is up and and broadcasting that's

2870
01:50:53,109 --> 01:50:50,400
what we're gonna do that's what we do

2871
01:50:54,709 --> 01:50:53,119
here roll with the punches and uh that's

2872
01:50:57,350 --> 01:50:54,719
all i can do

2873
01:50:58,550 --> 01:50:57,360
so until next time friends uh or i want

2874
01:51:01,030 --> 01:50:58,560
to thank all you kind of generous

2875
01:51:03,350 --> 01:51:01,040
benefactors i want to thank all you uh

2876
01:51:04,870 --> 01:51:03,360
people listening in audio podcast land i

2877
01:51:05,750 --> 01:51:04,880
want to thank our guest tonight steve

2878
01:51:07,669 --> 01:51:05,760
long

2879
01:51:09,990 --> 01:51:07,679
i want to thank our chat room moderators

2880
01:51:10,870 --> 01:51:10,000
and lead moderator uh success design of

2881
01:51:13,430 --> 01:51:10,880
course

2882
01:51:14,709 --> 01:51:13,440
uh for taking care of the chat room i

2883
01:51:16,870 --> 01:51:14,719
want to thank each and every one of you

2884
01:51:19,350 --> 01:51:16,880
for joining us

2885
01:51:21,750 --> 01:51:19,360
and i welcome you to join us again

2886
01:51:23,510 --> 01:51:21,760
tomorrow night at 7 pm

2887
01:51:25,350 --> 01:51:23,520
uh actually it might be a little later

2888
01:51:26,149 --> 01:51:25,360
because you see i think after i hear

2889
01:51:28,950 --> 01:51:26,159
with

2890
01:51:31,990 --> 01:51:28,960
this lewis

2891
01:51:33,270 --> 01:51:32,000
ufo celebrity ass liquor review has to

2892
01:51:37,430 --> 01:51:33,280
say

2893
01:51:39,510 --> 01:51:37,440
wanted to hold most of what i have to

2894
01:51:41,510 --> 01:51:39,520
say about that situation until he has an

2895
01:51:42,950 --> 01:51:41,520
opportunity to try to explain

2896
01:51:44,390 --> 01:51:42,960
um

2897
01:51:46,310 --> 01:51:44,400
that

2898
01:51:48,950 --> 01:51:46,320
dramarama yeah

2899
01:51:51,189 --> 01:51:48,960
so that's where we're at friends

2900
01:51:53,270 --> 01:51:51,199
uh

2901
01:51:55,189 --> 01:51:53,280
yeah i'm gonna bounce on out of here got

2902
01:51:56,790 --> 01:51:55,199
some more editing to do please do join

2903
01:51:58,470 --> 01:51:56,800
us at midnight tonight we'll be

2904
01:52:01,589 --> 01:51:58,480
broadcasting here on the truth secret

2905
01:52:04,390 --> 01:52:01,599
channel uh my old monologue on the billy

2906
01:52:07,750 --> 01:52:04,400
meyer case and michael horn michael the

2907
01:52:09,510 --> 01:52:07,760
weasel horn and more tonight midnight

2908
01:52:11,350 --> 01:52:09,520
eastern standard time i'll be in the

2909
01:52:14,229 --> 01:52:11,360
live chat and of course it's it's an

2910
01:52:17,109 --> 01:52:14,239
older uh piece but i think it's very

2911
01:52:18,629 --> 01:52:17,119
relevant right now and i i hope you will

2912
01:52:20,390 --> 01:52:18,639
enjoy it so i'll be in the live chat

2913
01:52:21,109 --> 01:52:20,400
midnight tonight please do come and join

2914
01:52:24,950 --> 01:52:21,119
us

2915
01:52:27,270 --> 01:52:24,960
time with the live chat

2916
01:52:29,510 --> 01:52:27,280
yes okay so i'm going to bounce on out

2917
01:52:31,669 --> 01:52:29,520
of here i appreciate all of you for

2918
01:52:33,750 --> 01:52:31,679
being here no place i'd rather be we'll

2919
01:52:36,070 --> 01:52:33,760
be back tomorrow night 7 p.m eastern

2920
01:52:37,430 --> 01:52:36,080
time or i will make an announcement on

2921
01:52:40,390 --> 01:52:37,440
my twitter please follow me on twitter

2922
01:52:41,990 --> 01:52:40,400
it's at stevencambia so until next time

2923
01:52:47,050 --> 01:52:42,000
friends my name is stephen camby and

2924
01:54:07,400 --> 01:54:06,040
[Music]

2925
01:54:46,210 --> 01:54:07,410
[Applause]